Coach Mayo

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

i love bb and i get it. if this it true it is a bullshit thing to do. but...i am not usually fond of this type of thing either (talking about it to media).

This is why you fire a coach when you know you want him gone rather than a six-eight week lame duck period.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I mean, I'd rather they invest the cash, not burn it. If they want to burn it just donate to BLM. I get the sentiment though, I hope they do spend it wisely.

He kinda sounds like a dumbass when he says “burn some cash.”

 

[Kontradiction]

He kinda sounds like a dumbass when he says “burn some cash.”

I’m getting a bad feeling that he IS a dumbass. I don’t have a lot of hope for the near term future of this team. He’s saying way too much to the media and, in his first presser as coach, he seemed more interested in being a SJW than mapping out a path back to prominence. The team should have just purged everything having to do with BB when they were set on firing him. Half measures never work out.

 

[Lord Guts]

I’m getting a bad feeling that he IS a dumbass. I don’t have a lot of hope for the near term future of this team. He’s saying way too much to the media and, in his first presser as coach, he seemed more interested in being a SJW than mapping out a path back to prominence. The team should have just purged everything having to do with BB when they were set on firing him. Half measures never work out.

 

[Lord Maye]

the silver lining is if Mayo is his golden boy, then he's going to spend lots of benjamins trying to make him successful

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

the silver lining is if Mayo is his golden boy, then he's going to spend lots of benjamins trying to make him successful

The Patriots always spend close to the cap though. No different this year. The problem is spending big in free agency is almost always bad value and hurts you years down the road as well.

 

[Lord Maye]

The Patriots always spend close to the cap though. No different this year. The problem is spending big in free agency is almost always bad value and hurts you years down the road as well.

i dont think its necessarily about spending big on 1 splash big name FA... i think its more like when you have D Hopkins in your building, and you cant get him to stay over a small amount of money type stuff

sometimes we're cheap, and sometimes we pull out the check book for the wrong players (Agholor, Parker, Jonnu, JuJu, etc)

 

[Deus Irae]

its one of the top 3 most profitable sports franchises in history, and they've been at the bottom of cash spending for a decade....

its then most expensive sporting event in the world to go to for a family of 4 (at least it was years ago).... what the fuck.....

Tom Brady made Kraft a hell of a lot of money, both in money earned and money saved.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Patriots always spend close to the cap though. No different this year. The problem is spending big in free agency is almost always bad value and hurts you years down the road as well.

They "spend to the cap" because they manipulate the numbers, not because they're spending the money.

 

[TommyD420]

He kinda sounds like a dumbass when he says “burn some cash.”

I still think he's parroting the company line here. We're gonna burn some serious cash on Lavishka Shenault. It will be great.

 

[TommyD420]

The Patriots always spend close to the cap though. No different this year. The problem is spending big in free agency is almost always bad value and hurts you years down the road as well.

This year's 'spending to the cap' included 31 million in dead cap money.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

This year's 'spending to the cap' included 31 million in dead cap money.

That’s money you can’t spend because it has already been accounted for. Kraft’s “cheapness” had nothing to do with all that dead money. Bill’s backloaded, low value signings did.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

sometimes we're cheap, and sometimes we pull out the check book for the wrong players (Agholor, Parker, Jonnu, JuJu, etc)

This here is the issue. People don’t seem to grasp how stupid those 2021 deals were. They were still paying dead money and inflated cap hits in 2023. And the money they had leftover was spent in dumb ways with JuJu, Parker etc.

 

[TommyD420]

That’s money you can’t spend because it has already been accounted for. Kraft’s “cheapness” had nothing to do with all that dead money. Bill’s backloaded, low value signings did.

Spending ~70% of the cap on actual players on the team isn't 'spending to the cap', and how you end up 29th in cash spending. Sometimes you have to do it to reset and have a big number the next year, that's what Belichick did.

Where you and I differ, is that you think Kraft opens the checkbook whenever the coach/GM asks, and Belichick is just...I dunno, cheap? dumb? I think Belichick did what he could with the budget constraints he was under, and has been under for a long, long time.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Spending ~70% of the cap on actual players on the team isn't 'spending to the cap', and how you end up 29th in cash spending. Sometimes you have to do it to reset and have a big number the next year, that's what Belichick did.

Where you and I differ, is that you think Kraft opens the checkbook whenever the coach/GM asks, and Belichick is just...I dunno, cheap? dumb? I think Belichick did what he could with the budget constraints he was under, and has been under for a long, long time.

But you realize that cap space is cap space correct? Sure, they’re only spending 70%. That’s because 30% is already “dead” from contracts in previous years being spread out. Where did Nelson Agholor’s money go when be left? He was given like $20M but very little was paid in 2021 so they could fit everyone under the cap that year. It gets spread into 2022 and 2023. Since he’s no longer on the team, it is “dead money.” Jonnu Smith is another one. There’s no reversing this.

Then there’s guys like Hunter Henry where they paid him over three years but his cap hit in year one is structured very low but in year three (2023) is structured high. Hence the cash is lower than the cap hit by design.

This is all Bill / personnel stuff when it comes to contracts and the cap. The only option to create more room is by doing the same thing: small hit in 2023, big hits in later years.

 

[TommyD420]

But you realize that cap space is cap space correct? Sure, they’re only spending 70%. That’s because 30% is already “dead” from contracts in previous years being spread out. Where did Nelson Agholor’s money go when be left? He was given like $20M but very little was paid in 2021 so they could fit everyone under the cap that year. It gets spread into 2022 and 2023. Since he’s no longer on the team, it is “dead money.” Jonnu Smith is another one. There’s no reversing this.

Then there’s guys like Hunter Henry where they paid him over three years but his cap hit in year one is structured very low but in year three (2023) is structured high. Hence the cash is lower than the cap hit by design.

This is all Bill / personnel stuff when it comes to contracts and the cap. The only option to create more room is by doing the same thing: small hit in 2023, big hits in later years.

You didn't have to cut Agholor. I mean, you watched him this weekend. Do you still think it was him, or was it the QB? Ditto Jonnu Smith. And being unable to move on from the QB after 2022 is why those two had to go, creating all the dead cap - forcing the team to spend less, when the owner constrains your budget already.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

You didn't have to cut Agholor. I mean, you watched him this weekend. Do you still think it was him, or was it the QB? Ditto Jonnu Smith. And being unable to move on from the QB after 2022 is why those two had to go, creating all the dead cap - forcing the team to spend less, when the owner constrains your budget already.

Agree they didn’t need to cut those guys in hindsight although the money they gave Jonnu was outrageous. But they also cut them to free up cap space short term.

Kraft isn’t constraining the budget. Cash/cap fluctuates for every team. It was predictable that based on the 2021 contracts and their backloaded structures, they’d have less cash in 2023 to pay off those debts.

 

[TommyD420]

Agree they didn’t need to cut those guys in hindsight although the money they gave Jonnu was outrageous. But they also cut them to free up cap space short term.

Kraft isn’t constraining the budget. Cash/cap fluctuates for every team. It was predictable that based on the 2021 contracts and their backloaded structures, they’d have less cash in 2023 to pay off those debts.

We shall see. This year's FA will tell us a lot. If it's Trevor Simiean, Levishka Shenault, Cam Irving, and L'Jarius Sneed - we'll know.

 

[Deus Irae]

But you realize that cap space is cap space correct? Sure, they’re only spending 70%. That’s because 30% is already “dead” from contracts in previous years being spread out. Where did Nelson Agholor’s money go when be left? He was given like $20M but very little was paid in 2021 so they could fit everyone under the cap that year. It gets spread into 2022 and 2023. Since he’s no longer on the team, it is “dead money.” Jonnu Smith is another one. There’s no reversing this.

Then there’s guys like Hunter Henry where they paid him over three years but his cap hit in year one is structured very low but in year three (2023) is structured high. Hence the cash is lower than the cap hit by design.

This is all Bill / personnel stuff when it comes to contracts and the cap. The only option to create more room is by doing the same thing: small hit in 2023, big hits in later years.

You're missing the obvious, though. The reality is that the cap is crap. It's just an accounting number. It can be massaged and played with in any number of ways, as Belichick himself has acknowledged, and the use of void years has been a game changer. The only numbers that actual matter are the real dollars spent. That's the only thing that can't be fudged.

As for all of that cap maneuvering coming home to roost, just compare the Bucs and the Patriots this season. Even taking the bite from Brady's retirement and some other money issues, the Bucs fielded at team that was at least competitive, and even won a playoff game.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

You're missing the obvious, though. The reality is that the cap is crap. It's just an accounting number. It can be massaged and played with in any number of ways, as Belichick himself has acknowledged, and the use of void years has been a game changer. The only numbers that actual matter are the real dollars spent. That's the only thing that can't be fudged.

As for all of that cap maneuvering coming home to roost, just compare the Bucs and the Patriots this season. Even taking the bite from Brady's retirement and some other money issues, the Bucs fielded at team that was at least competitive, and even won a playoff game.

I agree the Patriots could have created more cap space in 2023 if they had been more aggressive, though I’m glad they didn’t since they were far from being competitive and now they they won’t need to pay off void years and dead cap hits for players during a lost season.