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Fly Eagles Fly said:
Don't really care but somebody needs to put an end to this nonsense. I can't believe I'm going to hate a non NFC East franchise more than I hated the Patriots during your guys run. Something about the Chiefs seems phony to me.
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That's because they are phony. Media attention grabbing whores
 
666 said:
That's because they are phony. Media attention grabbing whores
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Agreed. I need somebody in the AFC to humble them.
 
Fly Eagles Fly said:
Don't really care but somebody needs to put an end to this nonsense. I can't believe I'm going to hate a non NFC East franchise more than I hated the Patriots during your guys run. Something about the Chiefs seems phony to me.
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Part of it is out of their hands, but it is stuff that matters.


Patriots first 3 SBs:

2001 - Snow game v. Raiders, v 13-3 Steelers, v. 14-2 Rams a/k/a "Greatest Show On Turf" w/ HOF QB Warner
2003 - v. 12-4 Titans, v. 12-4 Colts w/HOF QB P. Manning, v Panthers
2004 - v. 12-4 Colts with HOF QB P. Manning, v. 15-1 Steelers w/Roethlisberger, v 13-3 Eagles with Andy Reid


Chiefs first 3 SBs:

2019 - v. 10-6 Texans, v. 9-7 Titans, v. 13-3 49ers w/ JAG choking away the game
2022 - v. 9-8 Jaguars, v. 12-4 Bengals, v. 14-3 Eagles
2023 - v. 11-6 Dolphins, v. 11-6 Bills, v. 12-5 49ers w/Brock Purdy



So Brady/Patriots were playing against much better teams and much better QBs. And Mahomes/Chiefs is 1-3 against Burrow and Brady in the playoffs. Really, the Chiefs have only had one decent SB season run (2022), with 2 seasons against weak competition when better teams would have almost certainly taken them down. The Patriots, meanwhile, had 4 wins against QBs who either are already in the HOF or are locks to get in during a shorter (4 seasons v. 5 seasons) stretch.

So the Chiefs are not frauds, but they're wildly overrated by themselves, their fans, and the media, and a lot of serious football followers who are not Chiefs fans see through the hype.
 
Deus Irae said:
Part of it is out of their hands, but it is stuff that matters.


Patriots first 3 SBs:

2001 - Snow game v. Raiders, v 13-3 Steelers, v. 14-2 Rams a/k/a "Greatest Show On Turf" w/ HOF QB Warner
2003 - v. 12-4 Titans, v. 12-4 Colts w/HOF QB P. Manning, v Panthers
2004 - v. 12-4 Colts with HOF QB P. Manning, v. 15-1 Steelers w/Roethlisberger, v 13-3 Eagles with Andy Reid


Chiefs first 3 SBs:

2019 - v. 10-6 Texans, v. 9-7 Titans, v. 13-3 49ers w/ JAG choking away the game
2022 - v. 9-8 Jaguars, v. 12-4 Bengals, v. 14-3 Eagles
2023 - v. 11-6 Dolphins, v. 11-6 Bills, v. 12-5 49ers w/Brock Purdy



So Brady/Patriots were playing against much better teams and much better QBs. And Mahomes/Chiefs is 1-3 against Burrow and Brady in the playoffs. Really, the Chiefs have only had one decent SB season run (2022), with 2 seasons against weak competition when better teams would have almost certainly taken them down. The Patriots, meanwhile, had 4 wins against QBs who either are already in the HOF or are locks to get in during a shorter (4 seasons v. 5 seasons) stretch.

So the Chiefs are not frauds, but they're wildly overrated by themselves, their fans, and the media, and a lot of serious football followers who are not Chiefs fans see through the hype.
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If you weren't too busy being an anchorman I'd have you fight the war on X vs Kermit fans lol
 
Lord Guts said:
If you weren't too busy being an anchorman I'd have you fight the war on X vs Kermit fans lol
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That's very kind of you. But, really, most of it is obvious to anyone who just ignores the hype and focuses on the context. Context is almost always king in the end.

Think of it this way, and you can note this when dealing with the Kermies:

Brady has lost 3 Super Bowl games. In all 3, he lost by one score (17-14, 21-17, 41-33). In the two losses against the Giants, he had his team in the lead with less than 1:10 left in the game, and in the loss against the Eagles, he had his team in the lead until there was just 2:25 left in the game (and threw for more than 500 yards in a game where his team scored 33 points and still lost).

Mahomes, meanwhile, has lost just one Super Bowl to date. But, in that Super Bowl, his team managed only 9 points (31-9 loss), was beaten by more points than Brady in his 3 losses combined (Mahomes loss by 22 points, Brady's losses by 15 points), and was effectively out of that game by midway in the 3rd quarter.





Also of note: in 2007, Brady had the high ankle sprain and, in 2008, and got hurt during the game (a game where he'd set a consecutive completions record before getting hurt) in 2011. And, of course, that 2017 Patriots team featured a head coach who decided that benching his starting CB for the entirety of the game with the exception of one special teams snap was a good idea.
 
PM15 said:
Kelce is not going to hurt you my man I can promise you that.
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I'm just posting news. It doesn't mean I agree with it. My thing here is to post information and let everyone form their own opinion on a subject. As far as Kelce getting shit for continuing to party, he just won the Super Bowl, he earned that right to party. What happened was tragic but the world doesn't stop turning.
I do think he deserves a LOT of shit for shoving Reid though. He getting a pass on that for some reason.
 
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PM15 said:
Before you say era it doesn't matter either the answer is still Mahomes


View: https://twitter.com/AllenBogarty/status/1758333935749107875?t=MxBqFAi59l3WAZHqJ1IuRQ&s=19
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What’s your argument here?

Mahomes has done better statistically - era adjusted - than Brady in his first six seasons but also has had 19 pro bowl teammates players on offense to Brady’s 2. Brady’s prime - where he had weapons - is comparable to Mahomes though Brady is better in advanced stats.

Is Mahomes “on pace” to equal or surpass Brady? Maybe. Mahomes has been legendary, there’s no arguing that. Even after just six seasons I have him in top 10 all-time (era adjusted, going back to 1920s.)

But he’s far from being the GOAT. That’s also very obvious and it’s absurd to say he’s at that level. All of these all-time greats have tremendous peaks so it ultimately does come down to longevity and accomplishments for that reason. Quoting Scott Kacsmar, though, makes this a very unserious discussion, since he’s spent 25 years being an anti-Brady lunatic and Mahomes has given him oxygen.
 
Ice_Ice_Brady said:
What’s your argument here?

Mahomes has done better statistically - era adjusted - than Brady in his first six seasons but also has had 19 pro bowl teammates players on offense to Brady’s 2. Brady’s prime - where he had weapons - is comparable to Mahomes though Brady is better in advanced stats.

Is Mahomes “on pace” to equal or surpass Brady? Maybe. Mahomes has been legendary, there’s no arguing that. Even after just six seasons I have him in top 10 all-time (era adjusted, going back to 1920s.)

But he’s far from being the GOAT. That’s also very obvious and it’s absurd to say he’s at that level. All of these all-time greats have tremendous peaks so it ultimately does come down to longevity and accomplishments for that reason. Quoting Scott Kacsmar, though, makes this a very unserious discussion, since he’s spent 25 years being an anti-Brady lunatic and Mahomes has given him oxygen.
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You've got to love the fact, though, that the argument is, basically, "Mahomes has been better because his numbers reflect a pass-focused team in a passing league while Brady's numbers reflect a run + D team in a balanced approach league!". I mean, Bruschi should have known better than to take the bait, precisely because of this sort of nonsense.
 
Mohomes is a system QB, and not even a very good one. He'd be nothing without Andy Reid
 
Ice_Ice_Brady said:
What’s your argument here?

Mahomes has done better statistically - era adjusted - than Brady in his first six seasons but also has had 19 pro bowl teammates players on offense to Brady’s 2. Brady’s prime - where he had weapons - is comparable to Mahomes though Brady is better in advanced stats.

Is Mahomes “on pace” to equal or surpass Brady? Maybe. Mahomes has been legendary, there’s no arguing that. Even after just six seasons I have him in top 10 all-time (era adjusted, going back to 1920s.)

But he’s far from being the GOAT. That’s also very obvious and it’s absurd to say he’s at that level. All of these all-time greats have tremendous peaks so it ultimately does come down to longevity and accomplishments for that reason. Quoting Scott Kacsmar, though, makes this a very unserious discussion, since he’s spent 25 years being an anti-Brady lunatic and Mahomes has given him oxygen.
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Just another follow up note:


  1. The Belichick Patriots, pre-Brady, were 5-13 (.278). Brady's first 6 seasons as a starter yielded a record of 70-24 (.745).
  2. The Reid Chiefs, in the 2 years pre-Mahomes, were 22-10 (.688). Mahomes' first 6 seasons as a starter yielded a record of 75-24 (.758).
  3. The numbers difference for the 94 games versus the 99 games is the 0-2 start for Bledsoe in 2001 combined with the extra game in the NFL season over the past 3 seasons.

In other words, Brady's numbers, regardless of how you describe them, translated into a much greater improvement than have Mahomes'.
 
Beers said:
Mohomes is a system QB, and not even a very good one. He'd be nothing without Andy Reid
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I, personally, think that's taking it too far, but there's no doubt that Mahomes has had an easier first six seasons to deal with, given all context.
 
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