All things Belichick
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Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
This is so bizarre
HSanders
Cracker bitch
i agree. it is a two way street...not one.
I never saw the hard copy, but I remember being told that the ownership purchase made it impossible (whether actually or just realistically, I don't recall).
HSanders
Cracker bitch
tb elevated the offense no doubt. points allowed unfortunately includes the pick sixes and shitty field position resulting from jameis winston's 87,944 ints the prior year. just having a qb who wasn't a t.o. machine "improved" the defense.
You can have just one person being the reason you win, in one of two ways. He can be either so good that he lifts even a middling cast, or he can be responsible for a winning play. Brady was capable of both, and demonstrated that time and again, year after year.
In any team game you have to have a minimum of players and talent around the star(s). Brady could elevate his teammates, but even he couldn't keep that insufficient 2019 OL/WR/TE combo from eventually sinking the team, and he knew that even when the team was 8-0.
But that's not really the same thing as what we're discussing here. Here, we're talking about the obvious, which is that even in team sports, the elite guys can, and often are, the reason for winning (See Russell, Bird, etc...). The are not missing pieces. The ARE the piece, just as, in the end, Brady was the system.
History has shown that BB needed Brady, but Brady didn't need BB. And I'm talking about on-the-field, here, since development will forever be an unknown. There's no shame in that for BB. It just is what it is. NFL history shows us that such is the usual reality for even the best head coaches.
458 points, and 29th out of 32.
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355 points, and 8th out of 32
Let's not go blaming Winston for all of that. Remember, Brady got his head coach to compromise with the "no risk it, no bisquit" stuff, and that helped lead to a huge improvement in QB turnovers in the post-bye section of that SB winning season. That doesn't happen with some random QB swap.
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HSanders
Cracker bitch
i've never been an "all one guy" person (coach or player) and never will be for football. my mind will never be changed about that. basketball has 5 people playing both ways. a single great player IS more impactful.
i don't blame winston for all of the shit defense.but putting your defense in shit positions has a gigantic impact on the defense. tb didn't do that so i am crediting him partially with the defensive improvement.
HSanders
Cracker bitch
i'm not trying for that. even when tb was described as a "system qb"early on in his career i would
and explain how dumb that was. it's just that over time,people outside of us pats fans have more come to realize his greatness. so now more tend to diminish bb's role. I have always been one to say they don't have the success they had without both of them. even Brady says that. The way I would always put it when people would ask me who was more responsible is I would say neither, they make each other's jobs easier.belichick never has to worry about his quarterback and Brady never has to worry about the coaching.
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Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
The last 5 years proved Brady was THE reason. We saw Brady at ages 43-45 without Bill on a new team, new conference, clown for a HC and he thrived. BTW, Rodgers right now is about to turn 41 and is toast for comparison. Bill without Brady is a below .500 coach and his last 2 seasons in NE were a complete dumpster fire. So much so that his only avenue to coach again is at an ACC school.i'm not trying for that. even when tb was described as a "system qb"early on in his career i would
If Brady had been paired with an offensive minded HC like a Reid, Payton or Mike Shanny I believe he would have won more than the 6 rings. Especially if he had a GM like Veach or Lynch. Bill cost Brady rings with so many GM and coaching brain farts.
I can just as easily take the first and last SB rings off Brady.
A defensive mastermind won both of those games. No debate there.
Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
You have to look at the totality of each season not just one game. Do the 2001 Pats get to the Bowl or even the playoffs with Bledsoe?
Does any other QB besides Brady go into Arrowhead and beat Mahomes in a shoot out at age 41?
I agree. I am a Brady apologist through and through. He can do no wrong to me.
But dismissing Bill as an albatross around Brady's neck is a dangerous game. That BB defense certainly benefitted Brady quite a bit. Especially in those early years.
Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
I am not dismissing him. I believe he is a defensive savant but I also believe Brady would have flourished more under an offensive savant and a much better GM.
Come on, now. You don't win in 2001 with Drew Bledsoe under center against the Rams.
