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[Beers]

I'd be shocked if he re-signed below what he signed for in 2021. There's some bad TE contracts.

Looks like it's 3 years 27 million with a max value of 30. Dalton Schultz just signed 3 for 36 million.

 

[Lord Guts]

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1766197291919045096?t=LYwvD_dlwXNmW9vRP_U84g&s=19

 

[Hyped]

I absolutely love the Hunter Henry contract terms...only 9M/yr. for a decent starting TE. No complaints here. I also hear they are trying to bring back Brown. Just need to pick up a rookie TE to groom.

And this Okafor OT dude sounds interesting. He lost his job to Broderick Jones who I wanted the Pats to draft last year before they moved back to get Gonzo (who I am happy with). Jones was supposed to be a LT I think...but the Steelers moved him over to RT and benched Okafor. Otherwise, Okafor started 59 of 71 games after being drafted in round 3 back in 2018.....this is all from pro-football reference. At the very minimum, this guy is our swing tackle.... and if he's any good...we could actually resign Onwenu and move him back inside...then figure out our LT situation....

Now...if we only could resign Bourne before Wednesday....that'd be great, IMO.

Looking at the FA market...I am not seeing any real big contracts doled out for offensive players...maybe Calvin Ridley or Marquise Brown would be nice...but I'd not want to break the bank because Ridley had some mental health issues before he got suspended....and Brown has been so-so as a #1 WR in Arizona...I'd be happy with either as long as we don't break the bank. Then we should pick up one of the top 5 tackles in FA other than Brown/Onwenu (two are Brown and Onwenu).

Then we should totally LOAD up on D, IMO. So much talent out there man...I'd even get in on the Chris Jones bidding...just to drive up his price tag for the Chiefs if nothing else....

 

[Hyped]

With all of our cap $$$ and the lack of talent in FA...we should front load some of those contracts...so we get more cap space next year and onward, IMO. For example, we could pay Henry 12M this year....and 7.5 the next two years....

 

[Deus Irae]

With all of our cap $$$ and the lack of talent in FA...we should front load some of those contracts...so we get more cap space next year and onward, IMO. For example, we could pay Henry 12M this year....and 7.5 the next two years....

Whatever way saves Mr. Kraft real dollars, I'm sure....

 

[Hyped]

Whatever way saves Mr. Kraft real dollars, I'm sure....

Yeah, but I was alluding to using up cap space to front load contracts to pick up cap space in ensuing years....

 

[Hyped]

Yeah, but I was alluding to using up cap space to front load contracts to pick up cap space in ensuing years....

IOW, couldn't care less about how much cash Kraft burns.....

 

[Deus Irae]

Yeah, but I was alluding to using up cap space to front load contracts to pick up cap space in ensuing years....

IOW, couldn't care less about how much cash Kraft burns.....

I'm 100% with you, but Kraft obviously isn't, and he hasn't been since at least as far back as the mid-2000s. I remember getting bashed over at Patsfans because I dared to point that out back then. And the spending ranking has only gotten worse since then.

 

[Hyped]

I'm 100% with you, but Kraft obviously isn't, and he hasn't been since at least as far back as the mid-2000s. I remember getting bashed over at Patsfans because I dared to point that out back then. And the spending ranking has only gotten worse since then.

When have the Pats NOT spent to the cap? This is where I am coming from. Cash spending is meaningless, no?

 

[Deus Irae]

When have the Pats NOT spent to the cap? This is where I am coming from. Cash spending is meaningless, no?

You've got it backwards. Caps spending is basically meaningless, as it's almost always nothing more than accounting games. Cash spending is, with rare exception, all that matters. It took a while for the NFLPA to figure it out, but they eventually figured it out to the point of demanding a real spending floor, and not just a cap floor.

It wasn't always like that. It took the NFL front offices a while to figure out how to manipulate the cap as well as they do today. And that's why I used to be almost as much of a cap geek as Miguel. But, today, the cap will only really bite teams who repeatedly overpay a big chunk of players, or who stack too many high end payments into one particular season, and even that can be avoided if the teams choose to do it.

 

[Hyped]

You've got it backwards. Caps spending is basically meaningless, as it's almost always nothing more than accounting games. Cash spending is, with rare exception, all that matters. It took a while for the NFLPA to figure it out, but they eventually figured it out to the point of demanding a real spending floor, and not just a cap floor.

It wasn't always like that. It took the NFL front offices a while to figure out how to manipulate the cap as well as they do today. And that's why I used to be almost as much of a cap geek as Miguel. But, today, the cap will only really bite teams who repeatedly overpay a big chunk of players, or who stack too many high end payments into one particular season, and even that can be avoided if the teams choose to do it.

Thinking this through (I might have it backwards....only a basic understanding of the cap here):

- Are you saying that Kraft doesn't spend much above the cash floor?

- And why does that matter exactly as long as we spend to the cap? Whether or not it is new cash?

 

[Deus Irae]

Thinking this through (I might have it backwards....only a basic understanding of the cap here):

- Are you saying that Kraft doesn't spend much above the cash floor?

The Patriots are last in actual cash spending over the last 10 years

- And why does that matter exactly as long as we spend to the cap? Whether or not it is new cash?

Because cap spending has nothing to do with bringing in, or keeping, talent. Cap spending is just how you manage the accounting. That's how you sign a guy to a 2 billion dollar contract and get just a 10 dollar cap hit (numbers obviously wildly exaggerated to highlight the point) in the first year. And that's how that same deal ends up with the guy getting cut 3 years later, with him having made nowhere near that 2 billion dollars, because of "cap" reasons, when the accounting gimmick trigger gets tripped.

 

[Dingleberry]

The Patriots are last in actual cash spending over the last 10 years



Because cap spending has nothing to do with bringing in, or keeping, talent. Cap spending is just how you manage the accounting. That's how you sign a guy to a 2 billion dollar contract and get just a 10 dollar cap hit (numbers obviously wildly exaggerated to highlight the point) in the first year. And that's how that same deal ends up with the guy getting cut 3 years later, with him having made nowhere near that 2 billion dollars, because of "cap" reasons, when the accounting gimmick trigger gets tripped.

Those 60-something Asian broads charge a lot for rub n tugs.

And those donations to BLM and LGBTQPride are more important.

 

[Hyped]

The Patriots are last in actual cash spending over the last 10 years



Because cap spending has nothing to do with bringing in, or keeping, talent. Cap spending is just how you manage the accounting. That's how you sign a guy to a 2 billion dollar contract and get just a 10 dollar cap hit (numbers obviously wildly exaggerated to highlight the point) in the first year. And that's how that same deal ends up with the guy getting cut 3 years later, with him having made nowhere near that 2 billion dollars, because of "cap" reasons, when the accounting gimmick trigger gets tripped.

So you mean that we are the lowest in spending of "GUARANTEED" money? After all, that is what actually gets paid out regardless of whatever the total value of a contract is.

 

[Beers]

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1766197291919045096?t=LYwvD_dlwXNmW9vRP_U84g&s=19

Compensation isn't going to be a deal breaker, and he's still young enough that he can be salvaged IMO. Teams that should absolutely be interested, Raiders, Donks, Rams, Falcons*, Vikings*, Seahawks. *whichever team loses out on Cousins, then again Cousins is 36 and coming off an achilles tear.

 

[Beers]

I absolutely love the Hunter Henry contract terms...only 9M/yr. for a decent starting TE. No complaints here. I also hear they are trying to bring back Brown. Just need to pick up a rookie TE to groom.

And this Okafor OT dude sounds interesting. He lost his job to Broderick Jones who I wanted the Pats to draft last year before they moved back to get Gonzo (who I am happy with). Jones was supposed to be a LT I think...but the Steelers moved him over to RT and benched Okafor. Otherwise, Okafor started 59 of 71 games after being drafted in round 3 back in 2018.....this is all from pro-football reference. At the very minimum, this guy is our swing tackle.... and if he's any good...we could actually resign Onwenu and move him back inside...then figure out our LT situation....

Now...if we only could resign Bourne before Wednesday....that'd be great, IMO.

Looking at the FA market...I am not seeing any real big contracts doled out for offensive players...maybe Calvin Ridley or Marquise Brown would be nice...but I'd not want to break the bank because Ridley had some mental health issues before he got suspended....and Brown has been so-so as a #1 WR in Arizona...I'd be happy with either as long as we don't break the bank. Then we should pick up one of the top 5 tackles in FA other than Brown/Onwenu (two are Brown and Onwenu).

Then we should totally LOAD up on D, IMO. So much talent out there man...I'd even get in on the Chris Jones bidding...just to drive up his price tag for the Chiefs if nothing else....

I am OK with Ridley, but I think he's going to be too expensive for his production plus he's 29, and I'm not sure he's a true #1 X WR. Same with Hollywood. I think we need to draft that #1 WR this year, and fill in the complimentary pieces. We like Pop as a slot and gadget guy, (Marcus will be back too). Bourne as our solid #2 or 3, and I know he's a frustrating player but Gabe Davis has good traits, really big and fast, good blocker, great after the catch.. sure he's not the best route runner but he's probably going to be reasonably cheap. Think of him as a huge upgrade to Thornton/Reagor. I really hope they double dip WR in the draft again this year, gotta take those shots.

 

[Finn]

I don’t see a registration attempt from you. You’re gay? Congratulations! I thought about doing some gay stuff myself once I ran up my credit card bill with all of the awesome additions that took me all night to set up. Suck a dick here, suck a dick there, make a little money. Helps with the bills.

You really need to come out of the closet. I can tell by your photo that you are harboring some deeply suppressed homosexual feelings.

Let it out. Be free.

 

[Deus Irae]

So you mean that we are the lowest in spending of "GUARANTEED" money? After all, that is what actually gets paid out regardless of whatever the total value of a contract is.

I mean that they've spent less money on player salaries than any other team in the league. Kraft has acknowledged that, without acknowledging that specific ranking, and he's pinned the "blame" on Belichick, essentially by saying that he was all for spending more, but BB chose not to, while also trying to use the "But we won" argument to blunt the issue:

“I know there’s a perception that we have held back on spending,” Kraft said, via NBC Sports Boston’s Phil Perry. “Let me just say, for our fans, that’s just not true. Look, we were blessed to have a coach in our system who was a great coach and also understood value. He ran a tight ship.”

As he continued on the topic Kraft continued to mention coaching. “They say we’ve been low spenders in the last 10 years, and that might be true,” Kraft added, turning his attention towards the Bill Belichick era. “But we had a pretty good record. And we won three Super Bowls. But our coaches have always had the ability to spend at whatever level they wanted. I think Bill was always thinking about the future and really understood value. But we never held back with any of the coaches we’ve had over the last 30 years.”

Kraft spoke further about ownerships lack of involvement in the team’s low spending, and even suggested he attempted to intervene to get Belichick to sign higher-paid players. “I can assure our fans that spending will never be held back or the reason that we don’t sign players,” he said. “I’ve actually tried to get us to sign players who maybe would’ve cost more but wouldn’t have been the right players or value. So, we always leave that to the people we assign the responsibility to.”

Robert Kraft speaks in depth about Patriots’ cash spending

 

[Lord Guts]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/s/DOy9xonoUd

 

[tabmixer]

What's your feeling on Kirk Cousins? Vikings had a Super Bowl ready team when he first showed up, but has been a massive disappointment. He reminds me of the NFC's Phillip Rivers.

I actually love Kirk Cousins and he gets a lot of blame for things out of his control. He's been consistent and steady. Obviously not the elite of elite but he's been a very good QB for us. Unfortunately looks like we are losing him in FA