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By all reports I have read it looks like the ATL is his most likely destination.
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HSanders
Cracker bitch
they said on sirius nfl that his wife is from atl which sounds like the rationale behind it.
TheRainMaker
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Makes sense. Atlanta it is.
Cupofjoe1962
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Looks like Mac Jones is headed to Jax for a 6th
Please no JJ McCarthy in the 1st round
Please no JJ McCarthy in the 1st round
1.) Brady was paid just fine throughout his career. We had an unique situation with Brady...he even said so himself. But I agree that in 2017 he was looking for a longer term deal and did not get it. If anything, we should have given him a 4 year deal in 2017 so he could end his career as a Patriot. However, we routinely gave him tons of money via signing bonuses with void years on the back end.
2.) I am gonna respond to @Rainmaker's post regarding FA's we whiffed on in the BB-Brady era.
3.) The 2021 season is when we opened up the coffers. Results don't matter in terms of our discussion.
4.) OK, Durant is a bad example. But I was using it as an example where the Celtics whiffed on a FA because the guy did not want to come here even if we had Brady on the negotiating team.
5.) As for Cam, we gave him 1M because he was available AND because we ate about 25M of dead money from Brady...which is a good example that the bill always must be paid.
6.) Yeah, we built the team around Brady....and yeah...we went cheap on offensive play makers because Brady could make it work with anyone.
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Last, but not least...I need to learn how to break up your posts into a multi-quote to respond to parts. Will do that later.
Bottom line: Agree to disagree that Kraft is a "cheapskate". My stance is that the Patriots front office spent to the cap every year and players got paid. The Patriots paid well for GOOD players and tried to develop WRs and OL-men on the cheap because Brady could make it work. But notice that Gronk and Brady were well compensated...and even they gave Judon a raise last year. I don't really care about cash spending...and any FA worth their weight in gold will come here if we pay enough with minor exceptions like Derrick Mason whose wife just didn't want to live in New England.
Ty Law was released because of a 12M cap number. He signed with the Jets...who then released him only a year later because of cap issues as well. Then he did 2 years with the Chiefs...a year again with the Jets..then I think he tried out for the Broncos...but called it quits.
Branch...yeah that hurt in 2006. Givens...well....he got a good deal in Tennessee...and we never heard from him again. Just sayin... OK, I agree letting Branch go was a bad idea in light of us flaming out in Indy.
I don't think Manny Sanders would have moved the needle much in the 2015 AFC title game....I mean we were already playing Vollmer with a torn ACL at LT...Brady was under assault that whole game....and there was the Gostkowski missed PAT AND Jamie Collins whiffing on not one, but TWO Owen Daniels seam routes.... oh man...that game still kills me...Gronk was open in the upper right corner of the EZ on the final play....
Yup, Aikeem Hicks hurt, but we won in 2016....made the SB in 2017...and won it again in 2018...(shrugs)
Thuney? See this article from a Chiefs fan no less: https://heavy.com/sports/kansas-city-chiefs/joe-thuney-top-three-worst-contracts/
There are probably more FA's that we both are forgetting here....and other guys like Seymour...Vrabel...but those guys were traded away.
How about FA's we SIGNED? That should be a part of the calculation, no?
Antowain Smith, Rodney Harrison, Adalius Thomas, Darrell Revis, Brandon Browner, Chris Long, Marty Bennett, Stephon Gilmore, and the guys we signed in 2021.
They were lowballing him at the end. You know that, because the numbers are obvious. They were also only giving him one season at a time. All they needed to do to keep him, according to reports, was give him the Drew Brees deal, which was still underpaying.
So? Your argument defending 10 years is that they spent once?
It makes no sense as an example. Let's just move on from it.
They gave Cam one million because they waited until all the other QBs were taken. And the bill, as you put it, could have been pushed forward, and was for money that had actually been paid out, which is not always the same thing as the money in the contract.
There's not really any area for disagreement here. The Patriots spent less than every other team. It's because of Belichick, Kraft, or both. So the team was cheaping out.
And the Patriots were famous for NOT paying the top dollar, so I really don't get why you're white knighting this. You are arguing over what has been known and understood for 20 years. And if you don't really care about the cash spending, then you need to talk to Chris Jones, Kirk Cousins, and DeShaun Watson.
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TheRainMaker
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Sanders was catching passes from the other team who had some back breaking 3rd down conversions off Butler. That is what I was referring to. But also, Sanders and Brady would've torn it up. Yeah Collins whiffing on the routes were really bad.
I was only answering your initial question of players missing out on. But since you asked, here's mine that haven't been mentioned:
Rosevelt Colvin
Christian Fauria
Andre Carter
Mark Anderson
Tyronne Poole
Terrell Buckley
Sammy Morris
Wes Welker
Keith Traylor who seems to be the chopped liver when Patriots NT's are talked about.
Marc Edwards
Heath Evans
Jabaal Sheard
They didn't low ball Brady in terms of dollars, but rather the length of contract.
2021 is a good example...when they had the cap space...they spent the money.
OK, moving on from KD.
The media perception was that the Pats did not spend. They spent the money... the cap is a very real thing. It represents money spent this year + money already spent in the past. And Chris Jones' contract will hurt the Chiefs...I mean now they have like 50% of their cap dollars tied to Mahomes, Jones, and Kelce.... I'd be very interested to see if they ask Thuney to restructure or look to trade him...not only Thuney....Sneed is on the franchise tag...and that will only increase next year if they tag him again. Cousins...the man could never get paid until he got to Minnesota...he kept taking the franchise tag to the point where the Skins couldn't pay him anymore... and Watson got the ONLY guaranteed deal in NFL history man....the dude was ready to go to Atlanta before the Browns came in and scooped him up. And I don't have to tell you that his contract is not popular with other NFL owners.
I am gonna do you one better....I am going to do my research and select one season during the BB-Brady era where they spent the LOWEST amount of cash in relation to the cap percentage wise. Be back with that.
At the end of the day, I don't feel that Kraft being a "cheapstake" was the singular reason why those FA's didn't want to play here (or left). It ultimately came down to value and what BB/Ernie Adams thought each player's future value was....we never paid for past performance though.
And good point...had we had Manny on our side that day...maybe tilts the game in our favor...man...I am still not over broke neck Manning winning that game....
Nevermind. Looks like if I want to pull 2000-2023 info from SportTrac...gotta pay up.
OK @Deus Irae , I pulled the #'s from SportTrac for the 2023 season. I used this link: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/cap/2023/
Summary:
2023 Cap was: $224,800,000
2023 Patriots Cash Spending (Base Salaries, Roster Bonuses, Workout Bonuses, Restructuring Bonuses, and Misc. Bonuses): $153,843,625
Overall, cash spending was 68.44% of the cap in 2023. Do note that the cap had about 1M in carryover from 2022 as well as a (3M) adjustment...not sure why the adjustment.
Per SportTrac's cash tracker page...the Patriots were 29th in cash spending in 2023.
Cap wise, we had a lot of dead money like:
Jonnu Smith - 12.8M
D.Mac - 3.5M
Jake Bailey - 2.37M
Brian Hoyer - 1.64M...he actually got a 1.4M salary from Kraft last year.
Either way...we spent up to the cap last year. I still don't get why cash spending matters at all. It is just money spent up front now in exchange for future performance.
Ice_Ice_Brady
the executioner’s face is always well hidden
I’m not the only one who struggles with this!
HSanders
Cracker bitch
these are the ones i can think of from memory:
albert haynesworth
ochocinco
adalius thomas
reggie wayne
jonnu smith
davante parker
deion branch when he and brady were on the manning/harrison level of chemistrry.. could have been special keeping them together, and he ultimately left over like 3-4 million dollars on a 30+ million dollar contract
