All things Belichick
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HSanders
Cracker bitch
He's right not having guys like Marty shottenheimer in the hall of fame and guys like that is absolutely ludicrous especially when you have somebody like Don coryell in there. And not only is Don coryell in there, he's in there over Mike Shanahan for God's sakes.
The other thing I think they should try to use for a characteristic is was this player-coach whoever in the top 5 of their profession for a sustained period of time over their career. That would automatically rule out people like Eli Manning.
Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
Have you guys read this? Bill really is an A-hole and a power freak.
The Athletic
Dec 12, 2024
Bill Belichick’s foray into college football drew plenty of double takes across the industry, but the logic behind his decision might have been as simple as it was surprising.
“He’s a football coach,” a source close to Belichick said. “He’s going to coach somewhere.”
After 49 seasons in the NFL, Belichick made a stark career change Wednesday when he accepted the head coaching job at the University of North Carolina.
The 72-year-old’s pursuit of Don Shula’s wins record has been put on hold, perhaps permanently. Belichick needed 15 wins to surpass the NFL’s all-time mark of 347.
The record meant a lot to Belichick, particularly in recent years when it appeared to be more attainable. So, why did he call off the chase?
It’s perhaps more important to assess the situation from the opposite viewpoint.
One NFL team with a coaching vacancy had already ruled out the idea of interviewing Belichick, according to a league source. Sources with a couple of other teams with potential head coach vacancies didn’t believe there’d be enough support within the building to hire Belichick. The New York Jets, who will be hiring a coach and general manager, were never considered a possibility due to their long-running shared animosity for each oth
And among the seven coaching vacancies last year — excluding the New England Patriots, who fired Belichick — the architect of the greatest dynasty in league history only drew serious interest from the Atlanta Falcons. Several of those teams quickly dismissed the idea of interviewing Belichick, according to league sources. Some even expressed relief Belichick wouldn’t disrupt the organization’s power structure.
Belichick, the most prepared figure in the NFL for so long, had to recognize a chilling reality: He’d once again be a long shot to get a job in the league’s upcoming hiring cycle. It’s common for coaches to put out feelers to gauge their attractiveness to organizations.
“(Belichick) burned a lot of bridges over his career,” a high-ranking team executive said.
Belichick still wanted to coach, though, so it was important for him to act. North Carolina, which employed his father in the 1950s, was the most high-profile program with an opening. Belichick turns 73 in April and couldn’t run the risk of being shut out of another hiring cycle.
“If he wanted to coach again, he almost had to take this job,” another team executive said.
Another longtime Belichick associate thought the move to UNC made sense for other reasons, too. Belichick will essentially have unilateral control over the program, which wouldn’t necessarily be the case if he had gotten another NFL opportunity. And a handful of Belichick’s closest friends — Nick Saban, Greg Schiano, Chip Kelly, Kirk Ferentz and Jedd Fisch — have enjoyed success at the college level. He can use them as resources as he acclimates to a different football world.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5244873/2024/02/02/bill-belichick-nfl-coaching-falcons-patriots/
Also consider that Belichick could have waited to see if there’d be openings with the Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants or Jacksonville Jaguars — among other teams — but they ultimately might not have been great fits. Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones isn’t ceding control of his front office, and it’s too early to know what the upcoming power structure will look like within the Giants and Jaguars if more drastic changes are on the way.
“There might be some owners who want (Belichick’s) structure and stability, but he is 72,” another longtime executive from a team that was involved in last year’s NFL hiring cycle said. “I think a lot of teams want to build something long-term, and he clearly has a capped timeline.”
Belichick’s resume still stands alone. He is viewed by his peers as the greatest coach of his era, if not in history. And last season, even as the Patriots wallowed to a 4-13 record, a couple of personnel executives said Belichick’s defense still displayed some revolutionary concepts.
But they had fair and objective criticisms about the way things ended with the Patriots, with their record worsening in each of his last two seasons and failing to win a playoff game over his final five years. Parting with quarterback Tom Brady was a head-scratcher, but the failure to find a suitable successor made the matter exponentially worse.
Belichick’s push for organizational control has also been at the center of discussion with teams. One executive referred to the Patriots as a “unicorn” during the Belichick era, as he won three Super Bowls in his first five seasons, gained considerably more control after Scott Pioli’s departure in 2009 and was able to run the team how he saw fit. That’s not a common structure for much of the league.
Plus, the model had deteriorated in Belichick’s later years with the Patriots. There was a push for more collaboration with the 2021 NFL Draft, but that collaboration fell apart in 2022, according to league sources. Patriots scouts were often frustrated by their lack of involvement after the annual combine — nearly two months before the draft — or their general inclusion in the building throughout the season.
“I think people would be concerned about the culture in the building,” a fourth executive said. “(Belichick’s) culture worked when they were winning, but he got fired because they weren’t winning.”
Of course, the culture also extends to the locker room. Modern-day players don’t relate to the old-school coaching approach the way they did 10 or even 20 years ago. As one of Belichick’s former players recently said, “It’s nice to go somewhere and not get told how much you suck every day.”
That player was not alone in that sentiment. And adding to that, coaches and executives from other teams were turned off by Belichick’s public alienation of former Patriots quarterback Mac Jones.
Belichick has enjoyed unprecedented levels of success throughout his career. No one around the league would ever deny that.
But while teams eye a long-term solution with their next head coach, they have a lot of fair questions about the way it fell apart in New England and whether Belichick would be the right fit within their organization. And even if Belichick did turn around an NFL team, his age limits his longevity.
Naturally, the same questions will exist at North Carolina, but here’s the difference: UNC was offering a job, and it was anything but guaranteed the NFL would do the same.
Why Bill Belichick abandoned hope of landing NFL job, pursuit of wins record
Jeff HoweThe Athletic
Dec 12, 2024
Bill Belichick’s foray into college football drew plenty of double takes across the industry, but the logic behind his decision might have been as simple as it was surprising.
“He’s a football coach,” a source close to Belichick said. “He’s going to coach somewhere.”
After 49 seasons in the NFL, Belichick made a stark career change Wednesday when he accepted the head coaching job at the University of North Carolina.
The 72-year-old’s pursuit of Don Shula’s wins record has been put on hold, perhaps permanently. Belichick needed 15 wins to surpass the NFL’s all-time mark of 347.
The record meant a lot to Belichick, particularly in recent years when it appeared to be more attainable. So, why did he call off the chase?
It’s perhaps more important to assess the situation from the opposite viewpoint.
One NFL team with a coaching vacancy had already ruled out the idea of interviewing Belichick, according to a league source. Sources with a couple of other teams with potential head coach vacancies didn’t believe there’d be enough support within the building to hire Belichick. The New York Jets, who will be hiring a coach and general manager, were never considered a possibility due to their long-running shared animosity for each oth
And among the seven coaching vacancies last year — excluding the New England Patriots, who fired Belichick — the architect of the greatest dynasty in league history only drew serious interest from the Atlanta Falcons. Several of those teams quickly dismissed the idea of interviewing Belichick, according to league sources. Some even expressed relief Belichick wouldn’t disrupt the organization’s power structure.
Belichick, the most prepared figure in the NFL for so long, had to recognize a chilling reality: He’d once again be a long shot to get a job in the league’s upcoming hiring cycle. It’s common for coaches to put out feelers to gauge their attractiveness to organizations.
“(Belichick) burned a lot of bridges over his career,” a high-ranking team executive said.
Belichick still wanted to coach, though, so it was important for him to act. North Carolina, which employed his father in the 1950s, was the most high-profile program with an opening. Belichick turns 73 in April and couldn’t run the risk of being shut out of another hiring cycle.
“If he wanted to coach again, he almost had to take this job,” another team executive said.
Another longtime Belichick associate thought the move to UNC made sense for other reasons, too. Belichick will essentially have unilateral control over the program, which wouldn’t necessarily be the case if he had gotten another NFL opportunity. And a handful of Belichick’s closest friends — Nick Saban, Greg Schiano, Chip Kelly, Kirk Ferentz and Jedd Fisch — have enjoyed success at the college level. He can use them as resources as he acclimates to a different football world.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5244873/2024/02/02/bill-belichick-nfl-coaching-falcons-patriots/
Also consider that Belichick could have waited to see if there’d be openings with the Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants or Jacksonville Jaguars — among other teams — but they ultimately might not have been great fits. Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones isn’t ceding control of his front office, and it’s too early to know what the upcoming power structure will look like within the Giants and Jaguars if more drastic changes are on the way.
“There might be some owners who want (Belichick’s) structure and stability, but he is 72,” another longtime executive from a team that was involved in last year’s NFL hiring cycle said. “I think a lot of teams want to build something long-term, and he clearly has a capped timeline.”
Belichick’s resume still stands alone. He is viewed by his peers as the greatest coach of his era, if not in history. And last season, even as the Patriots wallowed to a 4-13 record, a couple of personnel executives said Belichick’s defense still displayed some revolutionary concepts.
But they had fair and objective criticisms about the way things ended with the Patriots, with their record worsening in each of his last two seasons and failing to win a playoff game over his final five years. Parting with quarterback Tom Brady was a head-scratcher, but the failure to find a suitable successor made the matter exponentially worse.
Belichick’s push for organizational control has also been at the center of discussion with teams. One executive referred to the Patriots as a “unicorn” during the Belichick era, as he won three Super Bowls in his first five seasons, gained considerably more control after Scott Pioli’s departure in 2009 and was able to run the team how he saw fit. That’s not a common structure for much of the league.
Plus, the model had deteriorated in Belichick’s later years with the Patriots. There was a push for more collaboration with the 2021 NFL Draft, but that collaboration fell apart in 2022, according to league sources. Patriots scouts were often frustrated by their lack of involvement after the annual combine — nearly two months before the draft — or their general inclusion in the building throughout the season.
“I think people would be concerned about the culture in the building,” a fourth executive said. “(Belichick’s) culture worked when they were winning, but he got fired because they weren’t winning.”
Of course, the culture also extends to the locker room. Modern-day players don’t relate to the old-school coaching approach the way they did 10 or even 20 years ago. As one of Belichick’s former players recently said, “It’s nice to go somewhere and not get told how much you suck every day.”
That player was not alone in that sentiment. And adding to that, coaches and executives from other teams were turned off by Belichick’s public alienation of former Patriots quarterback Mac Jones.
Belichick has enjoyed unprecedented levels of success throughout his career. No one around the league would ever deny that.
But while teams eye a long-term solution with their next head coach, they have a lot of fair questions about the way it fell apart in New England and whether Belichick would be the right fit within their organization. And even if Belichick did turn around an NFL team, his age limits his longevity.
Naturally, the same questions will exist at North Carolina, but here’s the difference: UNC was offering a job, and it was anything but guaranteed the NFL would do the same.
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Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
No. Bill being an A-hole is why he is coaching in the ACC.
UNC HC Bill Belichick has heard from multiple teams, including Raiders minority owner Tom Brady, to gauge interest in return to NFL
Multiple NFL teams have inquired about whether legendary coach Bill Belichick would reconsider his move to college football -- including the Las Vegas Raiders, whose new minority owner Tom Brady spoke recently with his old coach about what it would take to make a reunion happen in Las Vegas, per sources.
In a surprise move, Belichick agreed on Dec. 11 to a five-year contract to become head coach at the University of North Carolina and has spent recent weeks assembling his staff and roster for his first season coaching at the college level after nearly five decades in the NFL.
But Brady has been in touch with Belichick recently as the Raiders weighed the future of head coach Antonio Pierce, who was fired on Tuesday after going 4-13 in his lone season as the full-time head coach. Brady and Belichick won six Super Bowls together with the Patriots, and sources say Brady believes the situation in Las Vegas requires a coach of Belichick's expertise and stature to establish a sustainable winning program.
He must be a real asshole even though Brady asked him to coach the Raiders
Gumpboy45
Well-known member
Now now this is not true. Its only true when its bad bill. Come on you know this!
Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
I would like to see/hear the Raiders/Brady confirm reaching out. Feels like more hot air from Bill's camp ...
Ehh.... The report that Brady asked BB to coach the Raiders was refuted by other reporters.
Gumpboy45
Well-known member
and there ya go
Gumpboy45
Well-known member
your right, 50 see it 1 way and 50 see it the other. but your right. i like you
your right, 50 see it 1 way and 50 see it the other. but your right. i like you
Not sure what you're trying to say here. I was just noting a point about that article.
There's no need for me to talk about whether or not BB is an asshole. It's widely known, to everyone except some BB honk holdouts, apparently, that BB can be tough to work with. BB himself has said it.
Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
Exactly.
Gumpboy45
Well-known member
we all know he was. My point was that there are alot of reports from both sides bashing each other. thats why i sad 50/50 when a report comes out. Some people just choose to believe 100% of the 1 side. I'm in the middle and thinks he was a big dick to alot of people. That being said he also has just as many people the respect him. I was never trying argue with you.....thats all
Gumpboy45
Well-known member
Yep exactly. he said she said, then you said he said.....Move on
Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
You have to admit though him being totally out of the NFL since being fired by the Pats is head scratching. I think Athletic is trying to come up with some plausible explanations but everything they wrote we pretty much know ...
Thanks for the clarification. I really didn't know where you were going there.
And there's no question that people respect BB. And I have no doubt that, if he were 5 years younger, he'd have been hired by an NFL team last season.
Not really. His age is a limit. The last 4+ seasons in N.E. is a limit. His control demands are a limit. And, when you toss those into the mix, and there are only a few openings available each you, you end up with a very limited number of possibilities.
We allegedly saw that with the Falcons where, according to reports, the owner was talked out of hiring BB by people who were worried that they'd be out if BB was brought in.
Gumpboy45
Well-known member
No need for me to, you admit it enough for every Board on the Interweb
