All things Belichick
- Thread starter LordSensei1958
- Start date
OSUBuckeye
Well-known member
HSanders
Cracker bitch
getting more and more pissed at kraft for his treatment of bb (not because he fired bb,that's his right whether i agree or not). looks like bb may have known he was in a lame duck. great job krafts!!!!
patriotsfootballnow.com
SEARCH
Published
7 hours ago
on
February 26, 2024
By
Dan Kelley
Apple TV’s “The Dynasty” docuseries has released the first four episodes. It has shown a lot of important moments from the Patriots past. It covered Robert Kraft purchasing the team, the first three Super Bowl wins, the Super Bowl loss in 2007, and the Spygate saga. But the series also foretold the future of the team. Specifically the fate of Bill Belichick.
Tough to watch what has been said in “The Dynasty” and not conclude Bill Belichick was a dead man walking in 2023. What if last season’s squad had miraculously won the Super Bowl? Would “The Dynasty” have still been released? And if so, would Bill Belichick have wanted to stick around any longer?
New England’s run under Bill Belichick was the most incredible stretch in the history of professional football. But after only four episodes it is already clear a period that brought Patriots fans so much joy is being remembered quite differently in hindsight than it unfolded in reality.
“I thought Drew (Bledsoe) was treated unfairly,” Robert Kraft stated 22 years later. The decision to be “unfair” would help Kraft’s franchise win six Super Bowls.
And when the Patriots narrowly lost a game to the St. Louis Rams, easily the most dominant team in the NFL at the time, Kraft concluded, “Watching the game, I felt that Bill (Belichick) had let us down.”
When the “Tuck Rule” was discussed in Episode 2, Kraft thanked God for the referee, Walt Coleman. There was no mention at all that Bill Belichick himself knew the Tuck Rule. New England’s coach knew it should be the Patriots’ ball, and why. Yet nobody thanked the man upstairs for the man in the hoodie.
Episode 3 crams all three Patriots Super Bowl wins from 2001-to-2004 into one chapter. The back-to-back titles in 2003 and 2004 are barely touched on. Bill Belichick’s genius game plan to beat the Rams in Super Bowl 36 is barely touched on. St. Louis coach Mike Martz does comment though, stating the Patriots got away with cheating in that game by holding and hitting players illegally, knowing that not everything could be called. So Belichick is not shown as a genius, but rather as a cheater. And that is before an entire episode devoted to the “Spygate” scandal.
“Look, I was pissed with Bill (Belichick). But when you have division from within it can be very disruptive and dangerous. So, I protected Bill.”
Kraft goes on to explain that he protected Belichick by calling the NFL. Kraft wanted to protect Belichick’s reputation. So, he convinced the league to punish everyone, including the franchise, but not suspend Belichick. The Patriots coach was fined instead.
It is extremely unclear how any of this protected Bill Belichick’s reputation. It is even less clear how then speaking about doing this in a docuseries wouldn’t undo whatever previous protection was done. If Robert Kraft was truly trying to protect Bill Belichick in 2007, he certainly did not seem to care about doing so while this docuseries was being made.
I asked “The Dynasty” director Matthew Hamachek about this imbalance to Belichick’s disadvantage. Hamachek had said about 70 people were interviewed for the series. I asked how many interviewees were employed by the New England Patriots while the interviews were being conducted.
“Less than five,” Hamachek responded.
The only non-Kraft employees shown so far have been Bill Belichick and Robyn Glaser. I wonder if Belichick would still stoically bite his tongue recounting certain aspects of his tenure if the interviews were conducted after he had “parted ways” with the franchise.
It has been noted by some in the Boston media that Belichick was reportedly not as generous with his time as others. I have to ask, why would he have been? He was not able to speak freely at the time, and the focus seemed to be on how horrible he was. In seven years (2001-to-2007) the New England Patriots won three Super Bowls and had the first 16-0 season in NFL history. Somehow 25% of coverage for that timespan is devoted to Spygate. Sprinkle in the owner calling the head coach a shmuck while claiming to want to protect said coach’s reputation.
Kraft met the media alongside Belichick at a press conference following the firing of the winningest coach of the Super Bowl Era. All the right things were said.
“The man standing to my left brought the leadership and coaching skills that were needed to make the type of unprecedented success that we have had possible,” lauded Kraft. “Coach Belichick will forever be celebrated as a legendary sports icon in New England.”
It is tough for New England to celebrate a disloyal, unfair, schmuck though. Those are all descriptions of Bill Belichick from “The Dynasty” to date. And from what I’ve been told, the worst is yet to come. Hard to fathom these episodes being aired with Bill Belichick still employed by the Patriots. It is one thing to know one’s former employer badmouths them. It is quite another to have to walk into the office and face that co-worker daily.
Seems Robert Kraft knew while he spoke that would not be an issue for him and Bill Belichick. The New England Patriots owner cannot bear the burden of everything that is said or shown in “The Dynasty.” He is, however, responsible for what he says. What Kraft says makes it hard to imagine Bill Belichick coaching New England in 2024 was ever truly on the table
Kelley: “The Dynasty” Confirms Bill Belichick Was a Goner
Apple TV’s “The Dynasty” docuseries has released the first four episodes. It has shown a lot of important moments from the Patriots past. It covered Robert Kraft purchasing the team, the first three Super Bowl wins, the Super Bowl loss in 2007, and the Spygate saga. But the series also foretold...
patriotsfootballnow.com
SEARCH
Kelley: “The Dynasty” Confirms Bill Belichick Was a Goner
Published
7 hours ago
on
February 26, 2024
By
Dan Kelley
Apple TV’s “The Dynasty” docuseries has released the first four episodes. It has shown a lot of important moments from the Patriots past. It covered Robert Kraft purchasing the team, the first three Super Bowl wins, the Super Bowl loss in 2007, and the Spygate saga. But the series also foretold the future of the team. Specifically the fate of Bill Belichick.
Tough to watch what has been said in “The Dynasty” and not conclude Bill Belichick was a dead man walking in 2023. What if last season’s squad had miraculously won the Super Bowl? Would “The Dynasty” have still been released? And if so, would Bill Belichick have wanted to stick around any longer?
New England’s run under Bill Belichick was the most incredible stretch in the history of professional football. But after only four episodes it is already clear a period that brought Patriots fans so much joy is being remembered quite differently in hindsight than it unfolded in reality.
“The Dynasty”
In Episode 1 Robert Kraft discussed Belichick naming Tom Brady the starting quarterback even after Drew Bledsoe was cleared to return.“I thought Drew (Bledsoe) was treated unfairly,” Robert Kraft stated 22 years later. The decision to be “unfair” would help Kraft’s franchise win six Super Bowls.
And when the Patriots narrowly lost a game to the St. Louis Rams, easily the most dominant team in the NFL at the time, Kraft concluded, “Watching the game, I felt that Bill (Belichick) had let us down.”
When the “Tuck Rule” was discussed in Episode 2, Kraft thanked God for the referee, Walt Coleman. There was no mention at all that Bill Belichick himself knew the Tuck Rule. New England’s coach knew it should be the Patriots’ ball, and why. Yet nobody thanked the man upstairs for the man in the hoodie.
Episode 3 crams all three Patriots Super Bowl wins from 2001-to-2004 into one chapter. The back-to-back titles in 2003 and 2004 are barely touched on. Bill Belichick’s genius game plan to beat the Rams in Super Bowl 36 is barely touched on. St. Louis coach Mike Martz does comment though, stating the Patriots got away with cheating in that game by holding and hitting players illegally, knowing that not everything could be called. So Belichick is not shown as a genius, but rather as a cheater. And that is before an entire episode devoted to the “Spygate” scandal.
Did Robert Kraft Protect Bill Belichick?
Episode 4 is devoted exclusively to the 2007 season and the Spygate saga. Robert Kraft says he called Bill Belichick “a real schmuck” for cheating to get an advantage that only ranked one on a scale of 1-to-100. Kraft then states to the camera:“Look, I was pissed with Bill (Belichick). But when you have division from within it can be very disruptive and dangerous. So, I protected Bill.”
Kraft goes on to explain that he protected Belichick by calling the NFL. Kraft wanted to protect Belichick’s reputation. So, he convinced the league to punish everyone, including the franchise, but not suspend Belichick. The Patriots coach was fined instead.
It is extremely unclear how any of this protected Bill Belichick’s reputation. It is even less clear how then speaking about doing this in a docuseries wouldn’t undo whatever previous protection was done. If Robert Kraft was truly trying to protect Bill Belichick in 2007, he certainly did not seem to care about doing so while this docuseries was being made.
Disadvantage, Belichick
Belichick is put in an extremely difficult situation during the filming of the docuseries. Unlike others who can speak freely about their feelings and memories, Belichick was still employed by the New England Patriots while this was being filmed.I asked “The Dynasty” director Matthew Hamachek about this imbalance to Belichick’s disadvantage. Hamachek had said about 70 people were interviewed for the series. I asked how many interviewees were employed by the New England Patriots while the interviews were being conducted.
“Less than five,” Hamachek responded.
The only non-Kraft employees shown so far have been Bill Belichick and Robyn Glaser. I wonder if Belichick would still stoically bite his tongue recounting certain aspects of his tenure if the interviews were conducted after he had “parted ways” with the franchise.
It has been noted by some in the Boston media that Belichick was reportedly not as generous with his time as others. I have to ask, why would he have been? He was not able to speak freely at the time, and the focus seemed to be on how horrible he was. In seven years (2001-to-2007) the New England Patriots won three Super Bowls and had the first 16-0 season in NFL history. Somehow 25% of coverage for that timespan is devoted to Spygate. Sprinkle in the owner calling the head coach a shmuck while claiming to want to protect said coach’s reputation.
Parting Ways
Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots “parted ways” following the 2023 season. This docuseries makes it quite apparent Robert Kraft was planning to do so before the season even started. No chance the Patriots owner makes these comments about a man he planned to continue working with.Kraft met the media alongside Belichick at a press conference following the firing of the winningest coach of the Super Bowl Era. All the right things were said.
“The man standing to my left brought the leadership and coaching skills that were needed to make the type of unprecedented success that we have had possible,” lauded Kraft. “Coach Belichick will forever be celebrated as a legendary sports icon in New England.”
It is tough for New England to celebrate a disloyal, unfair, schmuck though. Those are all descriptions of Bill Belichick from “The Dynasty” to date. And from what I’ve been told, the worst is yet to come. Hard to fathom these episodes being aired with Bill Belichick still employed by the Patriots. It is one thing to know one’s former employer badmouths them. It is quite another to have to walk into the office and face that co-worker daily.
Seems Robert Kraft knew while he spoke that would not be an issue for him and Bill Belichick. The New England Patriots owner cannot bear the burden of everything that is said or shown in “The Dynasty.” He is, however, responsible for what he says. What Kraft says makes it hard to imagine Bill Belichick coaching New England in 2024 was ever truly on the table
getting more and more pissed at kraft for his treatment of bb (not because he fired bb,that's his right whether i agree or not). looks like bb may have known he was in a lame duck. great job krafts!!!!
Kelley: “The Dynasty” Confirms Bill Belichick Was a Goner
Apple TV’s “The Dynasty” docuseries has released the first four episodes. It has shown a lot of important moments from the Patriots past. It covered Robert Kraft purchasing the team, the first three Super Bowl wins, the Super Bowl loss in 2007, and the Spygate saga. But the series also foretold...
SEARCH
Kelley: “The Dynasty” Confirms Bill Belichick Was a Goner
Published
7 hours ago
on
February 26, 2024
By
Dan Kelley
Apple TV’s “The Dynasty” docuseries has released the first four episodes. It has shown a lot of important moments from the Patriots past. It covered Robert Kraft purchasing the team, the first three Super Bowl wins, the Super Bowl loss in 2007, and the Spygate saga. But the series also foretold the future of the team. Specifically the fate of Bill Belichick.
Tough to watch what has been said in “The Dynasty” and not conclude Bill Belichick was a dead man walking in 2023. What if last season’s squad had miraculously won the Super Bowl? Would “The Dynasty” have still been released? And if so, would Bill Belichick have wanted to stick around any longer?
New England’s run under Bill Belichick was the most incredible stretch in the history of professional football. But after only four episodes it is already clear a period that brought Patriots fans so much joy is being remembered quite differently in hindsight than it unfolded in reality.
“The Dynasty”
In Episode 1 Robert Kraft discussed Belichick naming Tom Brady the starting quarterback even after Drew Bledsoe was cleared to return.
“I thought Drew (Bledsoe) was treated unfairly,” Robert Kraft stated 22 years later. The decision to be “unfair” would help Kraft’s franchise win six Super Bowls.
And when the Patriots narrowly lost a game to the St. Louis Rams, easily the most dominant team in the NFL at the time, Kraft concluded, “Watching the game, I felt that Bill (Belichick) had let us down.”
When the “Tuck Rule” was discussed in Episode 2, Kraft thanked God for the referee, Walt Coleman. There was no mention at all that Bill Belichick himself knew the Tuck Rule. New England’s coach knew it should be the Patriots’ ball, and why. Yet nobody thanked the man upstairs for the man in the hoodie.
Episode 3 crams all three Patriots Super Bowl wins from 2001-to-2004 into one chapter. The back-to-back titles in 2003 and 2004 are barely touched on. Bill Belichick’s genius game plan to beat the Rams in Super Bowl 36 is barely touched on. St. Louis coach Mike Martz does comment though, stating the Patriots got away with cheating in that game by holding and hitting players illegally, knowing that not everything could be called. So Belichick is not shown as a genius, but rather as a cheater. And that is before an entire episode devoted to the “Spygate” scandal.
Did Robert Kraft Protect Bill Belichick?
Episode 4 is devoted exclusively to the 2007 season and the Spygate saga. Robert Kraft says he called Bill Belichick “a real schmuck” for cheating to get an advantage that only ranked one on a scale of 1-to-100. Kraft then states to the camera:
“Look, I was pissed with Bill (Belichick). But when you have division from within it can be very disruptive and dangerous. So, I protected Bill.”
Kraft goes on to explain that he protected Belichick by calling the NFL. Kraft wanted to protect Belichick’s reputation. So, he convinced the league to punish everyone, including the franchise, but not suspend Belichick. The Patriots coach was fined instead.
It is extremely unclear how any of this protected Bill Belichick’s reputation. It is even less clear how then speaking about doing this in a docuseries wouldn’t undo whatever previous protection was done. If Robert Kraft was truly trying to protect Bill Belichick in 2007, he certainly did not seem to care about doing so while this docuseries was being made.
Disadvantage, Belichick
Belichick is put in an extremely difficult situation during the filming of the docuseries. Unlike others who can speak freely about their feelings and memories, Belichick was still employed by the New England Patriots while this was being filmed.
I asked “The Dynasty” director Matthew Hamachek about this imbalance to Belichick’s disadvantage. Hamachek had said about 70 people were interviewed for the series. I asked how many interviewees were employed by the New England Patriots while the interviews were being conducted.
“Less than five,” Hamachek responded.
The only non-Kraft employees shown so far have been Bill Belichick and Robyn Glaser. I wonder if Belichick would still stoically bite his tongue recounting certain aspects of his tenure if the interviews were conducted after he had “parted ways” with the franchise.
It has been noted by some in the Boston media that Belichick was reportedly not as generous with his time as others. I have to ask, why would he have been? He was not able to speak freely at the time, and the focus seemed to be on how horrible he was. In seven years (2001-to-2007) the New England Patriots won three Super Bowls and had the first 16-0 season in NFL history. Somehow 25% of coverage for that timespan is devoted to Spygate. Sprinkle in the owner calling the head coach a shmuck while claiming to want to protect said coach’s reputation.
Parting Ways
Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots “parted ways” following the 2023 season. This docuseries makes it quite apparent Robert Kraft was planning to do so before the season even started. No chance the Patriots owner makes these comments about a man he planned to continue working with.
Kraft met the media alongside Belichick at a press conference following the firing of the winningest coach of the Super Bowl Era. All the right things were said.
“The man standing to my left brought the leadership and coaching skills that were needed to make the type of unprecedented success that we have had possible,” lauded Kraft. “Coach Belichick will forever be celebrated as a legendary sports icon in New England.”
It is tough for New England to celebrate a disloyal, unfair, schmuck though. Those are all descriptions of Bill Belichick from “The Dynasty” to date. And from what I’ve been told, the worst is yet to come. Hard to fathom these episodes being aired with Bill Belichick still employed by the Patriots. It is one thing to know one’s former employer badmouths them. It is quite another to have to walk into the office and face that co-worker daily.
Seems Robert Kraft knew while he spoke that would not be an issue for him and Bill Belichick. The New England Patriots owner cannot bear the burden of everything that is said or shown in “The Dynasty.” He is, however, responsible for what he says. What Kraft says makes it hard to imagine Bill Belichick coaching New England in 2024 was ever truly on the table
Kraft is a classic wishy-washy pussy.
If he got his way in 2001 with Bledsoe, Kraft would be just another middling NFL owner. Fuck him. Hope he goes to Israel and takes up arms against Hamas. Loser.
Belichick ruined a first round QB, and then blamed the QB for the problems. If you're an owner, and your head coach is doing that while running the team into the ground, you make a change.
Belichick survived multiple firing-worthy situations, and was kept on well past what any other coach would have been. Kraft was more than patient enough. He was too patient, really, and that cost him Tom Brady's last seasons. We should all be happy that BB's gone. We should also be very worried about what's being put in place as the replacement.
Mother Nature ruined that tennis player masquerading as a 1st round QB.
I am not inclined to defend any of Belichick's mistakes. I am much much less inclined to defend the drunken midget's actions since the firing due to his insecurities and overall pussified nature.
Belichick needed firing. It's that simple. The rest is just clutter. Attacking Kraft because you don't like how you perceive it was done, or when you perceive the obviously correct decision was finally reached, is a separate issue that means nothing in terms of the team itself. It's just what happens any time you get a split of a long term partnership.
Rookie season proved he could be coddled into average play. His ceiling is average play. We are better to be rid of him sooner.
I have never implied that Kraft's behavior after the firing affects the team itself. Nor have I even said (or even implied) that Belichick should not have been fired. I don't even have a problem with how the firing was done. It was fine. But little man can't help but protect his little ego and low self esteem. Gotta take shots at Belichick now that he is gone. Of course this means nothing about the team itself now.
As usual, it's all about me. I find Kraft's little dick behavior to be very Red Soxish. That disgusts me as I despise everything about that faggot Fenway team. There is nothing to be gained for Kraft to take the low road with his legendary ex coach. I would respect it more if he took shots at Belichick in a direct manner. But his passive agressive, behind the scenes shots are pathetic.
It's clutter to those who don't care. I'm petty and hold grudges though.
I think both of you are right. Mac was never going to be anything more than a middling QB. He doesn’t have the composure for it. He began getting exposed toward the end of his rookie season, and he never shed the bad habits. His eyes drop at the first sign of pressure, he has trouble moving off of what he considers his primary read, forces the ball, etc.
With that said? BB did absolutely fuck all to help him. He’s had three different OCs in three years - one of whom was a converted DC sharing play-calling duties with a converted STC. The 2022 Draft was a terrible one. Strange hasn’t panned out (imagine that) and Thornton has been next to useless in the rare occasion he IS on the field. He’s played behind an OL that’s been mediocre to bad. Any potential that Mac might have had here has been ruined, IMO, and BB definitely deserves his fair share of blame for that.
With that said? BB did absolutely fuck all to help him. He’s had three different OCs in three years - one of whom was a converted DC sharing play-calling duties with a converted STC. The 2022 Draft was a terrible one. Strange hasn’t panned out (imagine that) and Thornton has been next to useless in the rare occasion he IS on the field. He’s played behind an OL that’s been mediocre to bad. Any potential that Mac might have had here has been ruined, IMO, and BB definitely deserves his fair share of blame for that.
Who asked you?
As an unwise man once said: “I’m in charge here.”
I disagree with nothing here. But I never once argued that Belichick did a great job with Mac or should not have been fired. Mac has fuck-all to do with anything.
My original gripe was that Kraft (along with his inner circle) have been duplicitous little cunts since Belichick left. How this gets transformed into a defense of Belichick's last few seconds years is beyond my scope of understanding. This Red Sox treatment of Belichick disgusts me.
He bought the team, so he has the right to do whatever he pleases. And of course my gripe does not affect the team on the field in 2024. It only affects my fandom. Kraft obviously has had his pussy puckered about Belichick for quite some time. Even if it's legitimate puckering, he can take the high road. Belichick kind of helped make his franchise what it is.
This little man bullshit from this off-season could easily be forgiven by some. Fine. Like Santa, I have been keeping a list. When I take into account his weak, pussified inaction during spy gate and deflate gate, this is strike 3. Fuck him. Too bad he didn't get his way in 2001 and his adopted son Drew wasn't given "his" job back. Parcells was right about Kraft.
HSanders
Cracker bitch
i mean...didn't bb HIRE most of these dudes?? wtf???
