Belichick agrees to become Head Coach of UNC

BB won because of Brady, not the other way around. The data on this is irrefutable:


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I'm not trying to diminish BB with this, but Brady was/is a special case. He slipped to the 6th round because every team in the league screwed up, not because he deserved to be a 6th round pick. And he showed that from day one, which is why he was kept on the roster as the QB4 and then ended up as the QB2 by the end of the season.

That doesn't mean that BB and the Patriots coaches didn't help him. But if BB was the key and the reason, developing Brady when nobody else could have done it, why wasn't BB the key to Bishop becoming the greatest of all time, or Cassell, or JAG, or Brissett, or any of the other QBs the team had under Belichick? Why didn't most, or all, of those guys at least thrive in the league as top tier QBs because of that development?

You think bestiality is fine as long as the animal is cute! And @Ice_Ice_Brady is agreeing with you.

I rest my case.
 
You think bestiality is fine as long as the animal is cute! And @Ice_Ice_Brady is agreeing with you.

I rest my case.


Someone's been deep into the alcohol-rich egg nog already today...
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BB won because of Brady, not the other way around. The data on this is irrefutable:


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I'm not trying to diminish BB with this, but Brady was/is a special case. He slipped to the 6th round because every team in the league screwed up, not because he deserved to be a 6th round pick. And he showed that from day one, which is why he was kept on the roster as the QB4 and then ended up as the QB2 by the end of the season.

That doesn't mean that BB and the Patriots coaches didn't help him. But if BB was the key and the reason, developing Brady when nobody else could have done it, why wasn't BB the key to Bishop becoming the greatest of all time, or Cassell, or JAG, or Brissett, or any of the other QBs the team had under Belichick? Why didn't most, or all, of those guys at least thrive in the league as top tier QBs because of that development?
I think looking at this as an all or nothing black & white thing is selling both men short. it's not Brady had no talent whatsoever and bill waved his magic wand and created brady. it's bb took what Brady had and developed it. and no I don't think some fucker like Tony dungy could have gotten that out of him. There are too many examples of quarterbacks who bombed in their first iteration who once they went to a coach who developed them flourished. Just look at the cavalcade of jets quarterbacks who are doing better in new homes, like Gino Smith and Sam Darnold just off the top of my head.look at Jared Goff with Ben Johnson.I don't understand why bb's development of Brady has to be discredited in order to consider Brady the greatest of all time. I have never done that.I also used to scoff at people who called Brady a system quarterback,which was the case with many NFL fans up until the second run of super bowls .To me, that was discrediting Brady in favor of Belichick.I've always viewed it as a yin and yang not a it was all one guy thing. Lloyd Carr was a very successful head coach at Michigan. did he develop Brady? no he did not. Brady alternated starts with the local boy recruit. I think the more cerebral a quarterback is the more he suffers from a shitty coach and the more physical talent alone guy he is that's what makes the coach matter less. like cam Newton for example. I think Patrick mahomes would have suffered greatly if he'd have gone to some of the knuckleheads who are head coaches in the NFL now. Andy Reid took what he was and developed it and there is absolutely no way on God's Earth that Patrick mahomes doesn't feel the same way.
 
Someone's been deep into the alcohol-rich egg nog already today...
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I am not a fun person to argue with.

I got kicked off the Debate Team. Apparently, "Your mother's pussy has carnival breath" is not a valid argument.
 
I am not a fun person to argue with.

I got kicked off the Debate Team. Apparently, "Your mother's pussy has carnival breath" is not a valid argument.
I went with "The best part of you ran down your mother's chin when the donkey pulled his cock out:
 
I am not a fun person to argue with.

I got kicked off the Debate Team. Apparently, "Your mother's pussy has carnival breath" is not a valid argument.


I beat every opponent I ever faced in debate (it's just a format that's tailor made for me). "Your mother's pussy has carnival breath" would have been interesting to try to counter, though, I admit.
 
I think looking at this as an all or nothing black & white thing is selling both men short. it's not Brady had no talent whatsoever and bill waved his magic wand and created brady. it's bb took what Brady had and developed it. and no I don't think some fucker like Tony dungy could have gotten that out of him. There are too many examples of quarterbacks who bombed in their first iteration who once they went to a coach who developed them flourished. Just look at the cavalcade of jets quarterbacks who are doing better in new homes, like Gino Smith and Sam Darnold just off the top of my head.look at Jared Goff with Ben Johnson.I don't understand why bb's development of Brady has to be discredited in order to consider Brady the greatest of all time. I have never done that.I also used to scoff at people who called Brady a system quarterback,which was the case with many NFL fans up until the second run of super bowls .To me, that was discrediting Brady in favor of Belichick.I've always viewed it as a yin and yang not a it was all one guy thing. Lloyd Carr was a very successful head coach at Michigan. did he develop Brady? no he did not. Brady alternated starts with the local boy recruit. I think the more cerebral a quarterback is the more he suffers from a shitty coach and the more physical talent alone guy he is that's what makes the coach matter less. like cam Newton for example. I think Patrick mahomes would have suffered greatly if he'd have gone to some of the knuckleheads who are head coaches in the NFL now. Andy Reid took what he was and developed it and there is absolutely no way on God's Earth that Patrick mahomes doesn't feel the same way.


Y'all are trying way too hard on this.


Drunks on the loading docks could have "developed" Brady in his rookie season. That's the whole point. He was already an intelligent football player, and a winner. Any average coaching staff could have taken him from being behind the likes of Michael Bishop and 33 year old John Friesz to beating out the likes of Michael Bishop and 33 year old John Friesz. It wasn't about any special development accomplished by the Patriots staff. It was about him getting more physically prepared for the rigors of the league and having the kind of development any promising rookie could expect to have.


That's not a shot a Belichick. Literally every team in the NFL blew it on Brady.
 
Y'all are trying way too hard on this.


Drunks on the loading docks could have "developed" Brady in his rookie season. That's the whole point. He was already an intelligent football player, and a winner. Any average coaching staff could have taken him from being behind the likes of Michael Bishop and 33 year old John Friesz to beating out the likes of Michael Bishop and 33 year old John Friesz. It wasn't about any special development accomplished by the Patriots staff. It was about him getting more physically prepared for the rigors of the league and having the kind of development any promising rookie could expect to have.


That's not a shot a Belichick. Literally every team in the NFL blew it on Brady.
There are almost no head coaches who are average who would have kept the fourth string quarterback after their highly decorated and expensive starter was cleared to play PERIOD. The offense Brady was running was not the full on offense when he started playing.they simplified it some,and they tailored it to what he liked to do and what he was good at which is what a smart coaching staff would do. I find it hard to Believe that people sincerely think that in the era Brady started playing in that a defensive head coach would have normally not GONe back to his highly decorated starter who was very expensive when he was healthy and who wouldn't have let his very inexperienced second year quarterback who had started 10 games go for that last drive to WIN the game instead of taking a knee and playing for overtime. Remember even John madden who was a very aggressive coach and more offensive minded if I remember correctly was astonished that Brady was allowed to do that drive. People who don't credit bb at all for helping Brady become what he did are also people who discredit investors for investing in certain stocks after researching them as just lucky as shit when they blow up. I respect all of your opinions but nothing will sway me on this.I am not trying too hard. I sincerely believe this,and everything I said is supported by actions that happened. All of you people who respect Tom Brady only and think bb and his staff had nothing to do with anything that he became should simply look at Tom brady's own words about this and realize he is not saying them to be nice. it's the absolute truth.
 
Y'all are trying way too hard on this.


Drunks on the loading docks could have "developed" Brady in his rookie season. That's the whole point. He was already an intelligent football player, and a winner. Any average coaching staff could have taken him from being behind the likes of Michael Bishop and 33 year old John Friesz to beating out the likes of Michael Bishop and 33 year old John Friesz. It wasn't about any special development accomplished by the Patriots staff. It was about him getting more physically prepared for the rigors of the league and having the kind of development any promising rookie could expect to have.


That's not a shot a Belichick. Literally every team in the NFL blew it on Brady.
Pretty clearly a shot at Belichick
 
So.....

The pink hats admit Belichick is a defensive savant.

According to Brady himself, he and Belichick always had one on one meetings to break down opposing D's and their tendencies.

But Belichick didn't help develop Brady. Jeff Fisher could have done that.


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Pretty clearly a shot at Belichick

Not at all. Not even a little bit. A shot at NFL scouts? Absolutely. A shot at how Michigan handled the starting QB position at that time? Sure.


But it's not a surprise that nobody here has been able to offer an actual, serious, valid answer to the question I posed, just as it's not a surprise that nobody can explain why such development didn't happen with the other BB QBs if it was BB with Brady.


BB is one of the all-time greatest coaches in the NFL. He also, as far as we all know, didn't didn't develop him in some mystical way that nobody else could/would have done when Brady was a rookie. Both of these things are true.
 
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. — The college football transfer portal window runs from Dec. 9-28, a stretch of 20 days following the conference championship games. Another 10-day window opens in April for transfer entries. NCAA rules allow players on teams with coaching changes to enter the transfer portal the day after those decisions are rendered. The NCAA allows players to enter when a head coach departs, and Dec. 1 marked Mack Brown's final day on the job in charge of the program. Bill Belichick's tenure began on Dec. 11.

We're tracking the latest round of transfer portal movement here, profiling those joining and departing the Tar Heels during this transfer cycle.

Leaving UNC through the transfer portal:
OL Eli Sutton — entered Dec. 2, next stop: TBA
RB Jordan Louie — entered Dec. 3, next stop: TBA
OL Zach Greenberg — entered Dec. 3, next stop: TBA
RB Caleb Hood — entered Dec. 3, next stop: TBA
QB Conner Harrell — entered Dec. 4, next stop: TBA
OL Andrew Rosinski — entered Dec. 9, next stop: TBA
DL Travis Shaw — entered Dec. 10, next stop: TBA
OL Howard Sampson — entered Dec. 10, next stop: TBA
K Noah Burnette — entered Dec. 11, next stop: TBA
WR Kobe Paysour — entered Dec. 13, next stop: TBA

Staying at UNC after entering the transfer portal:
OL Austin Blaske — entered Dec. 9, withdrew Dec. 11
OL Aidan Banfield — entered Dec. 9, withdrew Dec. 12
LB Amare Campbell — entered Dec. 9, withdrew Dec. 14



(Jeremiah Holloway contributed to this report)


STAYING — Amare Campbell​

Promising linebacker Amare Campbell is pulling out the transfer portal, 247Sports learned on Saturday (Dec. 14), three days after UNC hired Bill Belichick as its new football coach. Campbell had been one of the highest-ranked linebackers in the portal, before removing his name from transfer consideration.
He made a substantial leap this season as a sophomore at North Carolina, recording 72 tackles, 6.5 sacks and a forced fumble. Campbell's sack count tied him with Beau Atkinson and Jahvaree Ritzie for the most in the team. Campbell joined the team as a three-star linebacker in the class of 2023 out of Manassas (Va.) Unity Reed. He was ranked by 247Sports as the No. 35 player in Virginia and the No. 109 linebacker in the country.
Campbell made his first collegiate start in the Duke's Mayo Bowl last season, and he started all 12 games at linebacker for North Carolina this season. He recorded a career-high nine tackles in UNC's season finale against N.C. State.
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UNC linebacker Amare Campbell celebrates at Minnesota. (Photo: Jim Hawkins / Inside Carolina)

STAYING — OL AIDAN BANFIELD​

Three days after entering the portal (and one day after Bill Belichick's hire was announced), true freshman Aidan Banfield decided to exit the portal and return to UNC. The 6-foot-3, 300-pounder emerged as a training camp surprise during the preseason, and earned the starting nod at left guard for the Tar Heels.
He went on to play in 10 games this season while logging 606 snaps, the fifth-highest workload among true freshman offensive linemen on the power-conference level, per data from Pro Football Focus (PFF). Banfield's snap count registered as the second-highest for true freshman offensive linemen in the ACC, behind only Stanford's Kahlil House. UNC coaches thought so much of Banfield's contributions this season that they nominated him for the ACC's Offensive Rookie of the Year award, alongside notable skill-position players such as Louisville running back Isaac Brown (who won the honor), Pittsburgh quarterback Eli Holstein and NC State quarterback CJ Bailey.
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(Photo: Jim Hawkins/Inside Carolina)

OUT — WR KOBE PAYSOUR​

The rising senior wide receiver plans to depart the program after four years in Chapel Hill. Paysour has career totals of 70 catches for 936 yards and seven touchdowns over three seasons.
The Kings Mountain, N.C. had 19 catches for 330 yards this season, with a high of four catches for 93 yards against James Madison. He seemed on track for a career year as a sophomore in 2023, with 22 catches for 282 yards and three touchdowns in the first five games, including a dazzling, tipped 77-yard score against Syracuse, only to suffer a foot injury several days later that turned into a string of three foot surgeries that sidelined him for nearly a full year.
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Kobe Paysour (Photo: Jim Hawkins/Inside Carolina)

STAYING — OL AUSTIN BLASKE​

Veteran offensive lineman Austin Blaske changed course on Wednesday (Dec. 11). He said in a social media post that he's removing his name from the portal, after electing to enter the transfer market two days earlier. The 6-foot-5, 310-pound Blaske has one season of college eligibility remaining. He has started at center in 11 games this season, missing only UNC's Sept. 14 rout of NC Central due to a high-ankle sprain.
Blaske has played 737 offensive snaps this season, per data from Pro Football Focus (PFF), the fourth-highest snap count on the Tar Heels' offensive line. He hasn't allowed a sack this season and has given up five pressures, marking the lowest pressure rate allowed among UNC's starting group. His PFF pass-blocking grade ranks second on the UNC offensive line, behind only right guard Willie Lampkin, the All-ACC first-teamer.
Before joining the Tar Heels as a transfer addition through the portal, Blaske played in 15 games across the previous three seasons at Georgia. He was a member of the Bulldogs' back-to-back College Football Playoff national championship teams for the 2021 and 2022 seasons.
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(Photo: Jim Hawkins / Inside Carolina)

OUT — K NOAH BURNETTE​

Noah Burnette, who developed into an All-ACC kicker across his five seasons in the Tar Heels' program, entered the transfer portal on Wednesday (Dec. 11). He ranks third in career points and fourth in career field goals made in UNC football history, though after earning All-ACC second-team honors in 2023, he suffered a drop-off this season.
Burnette went 4-for-4 during the second half in the opener at Minnesota this season, an effort underlined by his career-long 52-yarder and 45-yarder that put UNC ahead to stay with 1:44 remaining in the game. But he missed five field goal attempts during the last six games of this season, and yanked a point-after kick wide in the regular-season finale against NC State. He finished 15-for-21 on field goals this season. Georgia Tech blocked one of those kicks.
Burnette connected on 19-of-20 field goals during the 2023 season, highlighted by a clutch 6-for-6 performance as the Tar Heels defeated Duke in double overtime. Altogether, he hit 49-for-62 on field goal attempts and converted 137-of-139 extra-point tries across the last three seasons as UNC's primary kicker.
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(Photo: Jim Hawkins / Inside Carolina)

OUT — OL HOWARD SAMPSON​

Massive offensive tackle Howard Sampson entered the portal on Tuesday (Dec. 10), Inside Carolina has confirmed. The 6-foot-8, 325-pounder became the sixth UNC offensive lineman and third starter among the group up front to test the transfer market, joining starting left guard Aidan Banfield and starting center Austin Blaske.
Sampson started at left tackle in all 12 games this season, after coming on board with the Tar Heels through the transfer portal from North Texas. He played 824 snaps, per data from Pro Football Focus (PFF), the second-highest total on the UNC offensive line behind All-ACC first-teamer Willie Lampkin (851 snaps at right guard). In pass-blocking situations, Sampson gave up 18 pressures (tied for second-most among the Tar Heels) and five quarterback hits (most on the team).
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(Photo: Jim Hawkins / Inside Carolina)

OUT — DL TRAVIS SHAW​

Big defensive tackle Travis Shaw entered the transfer portal on Tuesday (Dec. 10), Inside Carolina has confirmed through 247Sports. The 6-foot-5, 330-pound behemoth represents the second noteworthy UNC defender to join the college football free agent market, following promising linebacker Amare Campbell's portal entry a day earlier. Shaw has played in 36 college games across the last three seasons.
For so long, great expectations have followed Shaw. In August 2021, he became one of the highest-rated high school prospects ever to commit to the Tar Heels, second only during the internet recruiting era to Marvin Austin. Shaw weighed north of 370 points, and responded by shedding more than 40 pounds across the course of the last offseason. Then in the 2024 season opener at Minnesota, his hustling fumble recovery in the fourth quarter proved huge in helping UNC squeak out a narrow victory.
Last month, Shaw's game-wrecking potential showed up in Carolina's defeat of Wake Forest. His four tackles that night matched a career high, and included three solo stops and a career-best two tackles for losses, both on Wake Forest running back Demond Claiborne. Shaw also was nimble enough to bat away a pass during the second half, and later, he had enough fuel left in the tank to pounce on a critical fumble recovery with 5:08 remaining in the game, when UNC teammate Joshua Harris Sr. crashed through and sacked Wake Forest quarterback Michael Kern.
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(Photo: Jim Hawkins / Inside Carolina)

OUT — OL ANDREW ROSINSKI​

UNC had a third reserve on the offensive line depart, when true freshman Andrew Rosinski entered the transfer portal on Sunday night (Dec. 8). He said in a social media post that he's leaving the program with four years of college eligibility remaining. Rosinski (6-foot-5, 280 pounds) hasn't played in a game for the Tar Heels this season. He joined the program in January as an early enrollee out of Creekview High School in Georgia, where he became a two-time all-state selection and was rated as a four-star prospect. Rosinski ranked as the No. 17 offensive tackle recruit nationally by the 247Sports Composite.
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(Photo: Jim Hawkins / Inside Carolina)

OUT — QB Conner Harrell​

Conner Harrell leaves UNC with two years of eligibility remaining. He started in three games for North Carolina in his three years with the program. Harrell backed up Drake Maye at quarterback in the 2023 season, and after Maye opted out of the bowl game, Harrell was the starter for the bowl game loss to West Virginia. This past spring and training camp, after Maye left, Harrell competed for the starting quarterback job with transfer Max Johnson. Johnson ultimately won the job, but a femur injury in the season opener led to Harrell getting his first snaps of the year in that game, and then the start vs. Charlotte. Harrell completed 21 of his 37 passes this year for 282 yards with two touchdowns and one interception.
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(Photo: Jim Hawkins / Inside Carolina)

OUT — RB CALEB HOOD​

Once a starter for the Tar Heels, running back Caleb Hood's four seasons at Carolina (2021-24) have been derailed by recurring injury issues. He entered the transfer portal on Tuesday (Dec. 3), along with Jordan Louie, another reserve running back. Hood said in a social media post that he has one season of college eligibility left. He played in four games this season, contributing seven carries and three receptions. Star runner Omarion Hampton, true freshman Davion Gause and the often-injured Darwin Barlow were ahead of Hood in UNC's backfield lineup.
Hood ran for 43 yards and a touchdown on 15 carries during the 2023 season, while appearing in seven games. In 2022, he was the Tar Heels' starter at running back in ACC victories against Virginia Tech, Miami, Duke and Pittsburgh. He supplied 109 all-purpose yards (87 rushing, 22 receiving) in UNC's shootout win at Appalachian State. Four games later, he ran for 74 yards on 13 carries and added five catches for 50 yards, as Carolina won at Miami. Hood rushed for 250 yards in 2022, before missing the final six games of that season due to injury.
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(Photo: Jim Hawkins / Inside Carolina)

OUT — OL ZACH GREENBERG​

UNC lost more depth on the offensive line, with backup center Zach Greenberg (6-4, 300 pounds) entering the transfer portal on Tuesday (Dec. 3). He said in a social media post that he's departing as a mid-year graduate transfer, and has one season of college eligibility remaining. He made the significant leap to the Division I level from the Division III ranks, after joining the Tar Heels in January through the transfer portal out of Muhlenberg College in Pennsylvania.
Greenberg started at center in UNC's Sept. 14 victory against NC Central, plugging in for injured first-stringer Austin Blaske. He also played 60 snaps against Charlotte and made an appearance at Duke. Prior to transferring, Greenberg served as a three-year starter at left tackle on the offensive lines at Muhlenberg. He collected first-team all-conference honors twice there.
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(Photo: Jim Hawkins / Inside Carolina)

OUT — RB Jordan Louie​

Jordan Louie departs after two seasons at North Carolina. The 5-foot-10, 215-pound running back redshirted his first season and did not log a snap this season. Louie was ranked the No. 56 player in Georgia and the N0. 39 running back nationally by 247Sports in the Class of 2023 coming out of Norcross (Ga.) Meadowcreek. His one appearance last season was against Campbell.
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(Photo: Jim Hawkins / Inside Carolina)

OUT — OL ELI SUTTON​

Reserve offensive lineman Eli Sutton (6-foot-7, 310 pounds) is leaving UNC with one season of eligibility remaining, he said Monday (Dec. 2) in a social media post. He joined the Tar Heels in 2021 out of Brentwood (Tenn.) Academy as a four-star prospect, ranked at the time as the No. 24 offensive tackle recruit nationally. He has played in three games on special teams this season, after making an appearance in one game in 2023.
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(Photo: Jim Hawkins / Inside Carolina
 
1. According to Brady himself, he and BB used to meet not only to go over their own offensive tendencies but to dissect opposing defenses.

That alone for a QB like Brady who had IT is priceless. You think Herm Edwards or Jeff Fisher gives him that sort of insight into a D?

2. Brady was wrongly accused of being nothing more than a game manager in the first dynasty. However, those early year defenses did allow Brady to win early before he truly became Tom fucking Brady. He didn't HAVE to be the clutch guy every game before he was ready. There were plenty of wins where the offense barely scored back then. That allowed him to grow. But when it was needed (the last drive of the SB), he was Brady. Belichick doesn't win 3 SB's there without a Brady. But Brady doesn't win those either with a middle of the road coach.

3. How many coaches would have gone back to Bledsoe when he was healthy? Most. Probably all. It's revisionist history, but at least half our stupid fan base wanted Bledsoe. Belichick knew. Is that development? Maybe not. But Brady probably isn't playing in 2001, 2002, etc with an average coach.


The later years of GM Belichick and the last year of coach Belichick have been used to denigrate the previous 19 years or so. It's disgusting.

And fuck Hand Job Bob for being the leader of that. Midget Jewish cunt.
Brady was a game manager, and that was his strength. He didn't have to go flashy, was patient, and was more than happy to take what the D was giving. 2007 aside, when he had Moss/Welker, that is. Moss and Welker effectively made it a case of the D is giving you everything, they just don't know it.

He went with the low-percentage throws when it was absolutely necessary, sure, but that was situational.

He was a game manager, out of knowledge and a desire for W's, not out of fear an inability (or coaches directive).
 
I beat every opponent I ever faced in debate (it's just a format that's tailor made for me). "Your mother's pussy has carnival breath" would have been interesting to try to counter, though, I admit.
Cite your sources.
 
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