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From time to time, rare items of Tom Brady memorabilia become available for auction. On Tuesday, a man who knows Brady well won an item in the latest auction of Brady trading cards.

Via Travis Anderson of the Boston Globe, Patriots owner Robert Kraft won the rights to a rookie card signed by Brady for $120,000 at a Sotheby’s auction.

The card was sent to the auction house by Brady himself. Brady was present as Kraft closed the deal, sitting to Kraft’s right...
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Robert Kraft buys a signed Tom Brady rookie card for $120,000, at auction
 
Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Andy Dalton just threw for 300 / 3 TDs and scored 40+ with the same offense that ruined Bryce Young’s fragile development.

But the stupid cause and effect reversal cited by many people will continue.
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Easy now, not need to hurt feelings on this topic
 
Not sure why "Play Maye! Fuck intelligent development and common sense" continues to be recycled as an argument, other than people here being as foolish as people everywhere. But it was well known that Maye had a lot of things to work on. And it's well known that people fall back into bad habits under pressure.

So it's absolutely retarded to force the kid into a pressure situation like the one the Patriots currently have, because the good habits haven't taken strong enough hold to avoid a return to the bad. And, if you watched that appearance against the Jets, you saw that. Outside of mop up duties, he should not come in even a second before the staff thinks he's ready to handle everything. One look at this year's #1 overall pick should be enough to smarten people up about this, but too many people are comfortable with personal folly nowadays.
 
Deus Irae said:
Not sure why "Play Maye! Fuck intelligent development and common sense" continues to be recycled as an argument, other than people here being as foolish as people everywhere. But it was well known that Maye had a lot of things to work on. And it's well known that people fall back into bad habits under pressure.

So it's absolutely retarded to force the kid into a pressure situation like the one the Patriots currently have, because the good habits haven't taken strong enough hold to avoid a return to the bad. And, if you watched that appearance against the Jets, you saw that. Outside of mop up duties, he should not come in even a second before the staff thinks he's ready to handle everything. One look at this year's #1 overall pick should be enough to smarten people up about this, but too many people are comfortable with personal folly nowadays.
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You want him to learn how to operate under pressure in a game situation before ever having to operate under pressure in a game situation?

Interesting strategy.
 
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Deus Irae said:
Not sure why "Play Maye! Fuck intelligent development and common sense" continues to be recycled as an argument, other than people here being as foolish as people everywhere. But it was well known that Maye had a lot of things to work on. And it's well known that people fall back into bad habits under pressure.

So it's absolutely retarded to force the kid into a pressure situation like the one the Patriots currently have, because the good habits haven't taken strong enough hold to avoid a return to the bad. And, if you watched that appearance against the Jets, you saw that. Outside of mop up duties, he should not come in even a second before the staff thinks he's ready to handle everything. One look at this year's #1 overall pick should be enough to smarten people up about this, but too many people are comfortable with personal folly nowadays.
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Then he should not have been picked at #3
 
ItsGonnaBeMaye said:
You want him to learn how to operate under pressure in a game situation before ever having to operate under pressure in a game situation?

Interesting strategy.
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It would be, if that's what I'd actually said.
 
Deus Irae said:
It would be, if that's what I'd actually said.
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He needs to learn by actually playing. We saw him learning in that one drive he had against the Jets, and despite being behind 4th stringers on the OL due to injuries, being on the road, taking his first ever snaps in a regular season game, and only taking 30% of the snaps with starters throughout the week, that one drive was far better than anything the other guy has shown all season.

Maye will start soon. Jerod Mayo is already preparing the media for it.
 
Gumpboy45 said:
Then he should not have been picked at #3
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Your position makes no sense.

You don't draft your quarterback for a single season return, so why would his needing a little bit of time make him unfit to be taken #3?


To put it another way, If you re-drafted the Brady draft knowing all that's known now, and insisted that Brady would sit out year one again, every single person in the world would still take Brady at #1 overall.

The G.O.A.T. sat a year. The latest challenger to the G.O.A.T. sat a year. Yet you guys keep insisting that sitting shouldn't happen. It's as if you're all constantly hitting the pipe when it comes to this issue.
 
Deus Irae said:
No, he doesn't. History makes that clear.
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I agree ... somewhat.

We can't use TB. Aaron, or Love as examples. TB is in a class by himself, even way back then. Aaron sat behind Favre, and Love sat behind Aaron.

How many QB's sat behind high level QB's and, when it was their turn, didn't pan out?
 
Lord Chevy said:
I agree ... somewhat.

We can't use TB. Aaron, or Love as examples. TB is in a class by himself, even way back then. Aaron sat behind Favre, and Love sat behind Aaron.

How many QB's sat behind high level QB's and, when it was their turn, didn't pan out?
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No offense, but I'm not going to do the research on that one, right now. It would take forever, and "didn't pan out" is too fluid a metric. For example, and just for example, did Scott Mitchell "pan out" after being drafted by the Dolphins in the 4th round?


So let's just keep this in New England, for a moment, and let's start with Bledsoe, who was the first big move of the "modern" Patriots, and let's not count injury/other replacement type games, or garbage time play, as starting year one:


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Out of that group, the players who made it at any real level, at all, are:

Bledsoe - played right away
Brady - sat his rookie year
Cassell - sat his rookie year
JAG - sat his rookie year
Brissett - sat his rookie year
Jones - played right away, flamed out when SHTF
Hoyer (UDFA) sat his rookie year


So, just looking at recent Patriots history, we see that sitting, and learning as a backup, is not any sort of problem.
 
Deus Irae said:
So, just looking at recent Patriots history, we see that sitting, and learning as a backup, is not any sort of problem.
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There is not a single QB on that list that learned more by sitting than they would have by playing.

For example, Brady was much better at the end of the 2001 than he was when he took over. He was also much better in 2003 than he was in 2001. He got better by playing games, and he would have undoubtedly been even better in 2001 had he played in 2000.

Learning by both practicing and playing will always be better than learning by only practicing. Unless you suck. Then it does not matter.
 
ItsGonnaBeMaye said:
There is not a single QB on that list that learned more by sitting than they would have by playing.

For example, Brady was much better at the end of the 2001 than he was when he took over. He was also much better in 2003 than he was in 2001. He got better by playing games, and he would have undoubtedly been even better in 2001 had he played in 2000.

Learning by both practicing and playing will always be better than learning by only practicing. Unless you suck. Then it does not matter.
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That's obviously not true. Cassell and Hoyer are prime examples. They'd have been out of the league if they'd been thrown in year one.


Forcing someone to play before he's ready, particularly in a season that has no shot of going anywhere, and surrounded by an untalented team, is stupid. They'll put him in when they think he's ready. If that's next week, so be it. If that's a month from now, or two months from now, so be it.

If you can't have the patience to wait on this, it's a you problem, not a Patriots problem.
 
Deus Irae said:
Your position makes no sense.

You don't draft your quarterback for a single season return, so why would his needing a little bit of time make him unfit to be taken #3?


To put it another way, If you re-drafted the Brady draft knowing all that's known now, and insisted that Brady would sit out year one again, every single person in the world would still take Brady at #1 overall.

The G.O.A.T. sat a year. The latest challenger to the G.O.A.T. sat a year. Yet you guys keep insisting that sitting shouldn't happen. It's as if you're all constantly hitting the pipe when it comes to this issue.
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there is definitely an argument to be made for sitting them

Aaron Rodgers rode bench
Brady rode bench
Mahomes rode bench
Love rode bench
Matt Cassel
Jimmy G

Im sure there are more

Manning started rookie year and threw a record number of interceptions
 
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