Patriots news

[Beers]

Stevenson out is a bummer, but Gibson has been solid and Hasty should step in fine as the change of pace RB. Collins being out is huge, he's a tough guy to cover.. definitely makes things a little easier for our DB's. Put 0 on Diggs and the Jones's on Dell.

 

[captain stone]

For a team like the Patsies, whose deer-in-headlights HC has boasted wants to be a Run-First team, they sure are thin at…Running Back. But hey how about our SEVEN Wide Receivers!

 

[Deus Irae]

For a team like the Patsies, whose deer-in-headlights HC has boasted wants to be a Run-First team, they sure are thin at…Running Back. But hey how about our SEVEN Wide Receivers!

When your team's OL is terrible at pass blocking, it's always best to have your rookie QB get his first start on a week when his RB1 is on the shelf...

 

[Tony2046]

When your team's OL is terrible at pass blocking, it's always best to have your rookie QB get his first start on a week when his RB1 is on the shelf...

But now that it's happening I want to see if Maye's presence makes a difference to the O'line.

 

[Beers]

Apparently Christian Barmore is trending to be back this season, if not soon. This news along with Cole Strange, and Takitaki

 

[Kontradiction]

Apparently Christian Barmore is trending to be back this season, if not soon. This news along with Cole Strange, and Takitaki

God damn, that would be fucking awesome. He is sorely missed and I didn’t think he had any shot at returning this season. We have little to no interior rush without blitzing.

 

[Beers]

God damn, that would be fucking awesome. He is sorely missed and I didn’t think he had any shot at returning this season. We have little to no interior rush without blitzing.

News is here, they are saying Strange should/will play center, which would be great probably career-wise for him and great for the Patriots.


View: https://youtu.be/C_RUM6bKgkY?si=BjVXe2wr0Vncwqq-

 

[Lord Chevy]

That rule is actually a good one, and was enforced properly. I have to give the league credit there.

I'm not sure ... A toe-tap is the same, just with the receiver facing the boundary line .. Falling back, controlling the ball, and getting that second toe down clearly before the rest of the foot comes down should count.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm not sure ... A toe-tap is the same, just with the receiver facing the boundary line .. Falling back, controlling the ball, and getting that second toe down clearly before the rest of the foot comes down should count.

The toe tap is completely different. And, had he actually just tapped that toe down and pulled it up immediately, Jacoby Brissett would have the team at 2-3 and would be the team's starting QB. What you're really talking about is a toe drag, which wasn't done here. Here's how the NFL rules on this (which is basically a continuous motion rule):

According to NFL Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Note 6, which helps define what is or isn’t a completed catch, “if any part of the foot hits out of bounds during the normal continuous motion of taking a step (heel-toe or toe-heel) then the foot is out of A player is inbounds if he drags his foot, or if there is a delay between the heel-toe or toe-heel touching the ground.”

After the game, NFL Vice President of Officiating George Stewart confirmed that was in fact the rule being referenced in a pool report with ESPN’s Mike Reiss. “The rule that was applied was the toe-heel rule,” Stewart explained. “What happened was he did have one foot down in the field of play and at the completion of the second step, he had his toe in the field of play, but his heel came down on the white line out of bounds. So, he did not have two feet in bounds at the conclusion of the catch.”

“He did not have two feet in the field of play,” Stewart said when asked ‘elements of the play that were essential to the decision to overturn’ the call. “It was a toe-heel, it wasn’t a drag. It was a toe-heel that caused this to be an incomplete pass.” Stewart also confirmed had Polk’s second heel come down entirely in the end zone, it would have been ruled a touchdown...

...“It was close. But it was the correct call in my opinion,” head coach Jerod Mayo said after the game. “I’ll have to go back and watch the film. I saw the replay live. Just a tough call.”...

What is the ‘toe-heel rule’ that was a deciding factor in Sunday’s Patriots loss?

 

[Beers]

If the toe touches first it should be a good catch IMO. It counts if you drag it, it should count if you don't drag it. They did call it correctly the way the rule is written, it's just a dumb rule

 

[Deus Irae]

If the toe touches first it should be a good catch IMO. It counts if you drag it, it should count if you don't drag it. They did call it correctly the way the rule is written, it's just a dumb rule

1. Go drag your toes against a sideline/endline, and note what the rest of your foot does, and you'll see why the toe drag rule makes sense.
2. Try dragging your toes when you're running forward and then flipping yourself around on an endline/sideline, and you'll see why the toe-foot rule makes sense.

 

[Beers]

1. Go drag your toes against a sideline/endline, and note what the rest of your foot does, and you'll see why the toe drag rule makes sense.
2. Try dragging your toes when you're running forward and then flipping yourself around on an endline/sideline, and you'll see why the toe-foot rule makes sense.

If the toe tap/drag is enough in any scenario then it should be enough for all scenarios.

Here's a great example. Player jumps to catch ball and is falling backwards out of the back of the endzone, whether it's his own momentum or he's being pushed we see this happen a lot. It's similar to the Polk play. SO, both toes touch inbounds but as the receiver falls back his feet come off the ground and he lands out of the EZ. That's a catch and a TD, lets say his right heel is the first thing to touch the ground out of bounds, but the toe is no longer touching. Still a TD.

 

[Deus Irae]

If the toe tap/drag is enough in any scenario then it should be enough for all scenarios.

Why? The biophysics is different.

Here's a great example. Player jumps to catch ball and is falling backwards out of the back of the endzone, whether it's his own momentum or he's being pushed we see this happen a lot. It's similar to the Polk play. SO, both toes touch inbounds but as the receiver falls back his feet come off the ground and he lands out of the EZ. That's a catch and a TD, lets say his right heel is the first thing to touch the ground out of bounds, but the toe is no longer touching. Still a TD.

You have the answer right in your own example. Both feet touched down with the ball and then came off the ground.

 

[Beers]

Why? The biophysics is different.




You have the answer right in your own example. Both feet touched down with the ball and then came off the ground.

I understand the rule, I disagree with it. If an elbow, a butt cheek, a lower leg/ankle are enough, so should a toe.

 

[Tony2046]

I understand the rule, I disagree with it. If an elbow, a butt cheek, a lower leg/ankle are enough, so should a toe.

What about hangnails ?

 

[Deus Irae]

I understand the rule, I disagree with it. If an elbow, a butt cheek, a lower leg/ankle are enough, so should a toe.

Why? Feet aren't treated like the other parts of the body for the purposes of being down, so why should they be treated the same for the purposes of being in bounds?

 

[Beers]

What about hangnails ?

Yes, and dingleberries

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes, and dingleberries

In football, as in life, dingleberries are always out of bounds.

 

[Beers]

New QB tomorrow, at home, throwbacks. I think i'm getting excited for this

 

[666]

@everyone


Where's all the Patriots talk? I was told that Maye starting would bring a surge of enthusiasm, so get your asses talking Patriots.

They should've started him last week for his 1st start instead of this one vs a top team.