Patty Mahomes GOAT

Bill Belichick has historically struggled against Mike Shanahan up until that time, but they shut down Mike Anderson that game. But yes, their LB's were trash that season.

However, the secondary was also a major weakness and couldn't hold up.

Pats could barely score 13 on that defense where the scheme was scraped just a few years later after teams caught onto it.


But the question was about Brady's playing badly against inferior teams in the playoff losses. And the answer there is that it never really happened. The closest to it was the 2010 loss to an 11 win team.
 
That's just not correct. As I noted, the Ravens were a completely different team with Lewis playing.
Lewis and his deer antler spray could barely run at that point. Aside from Ngata, Suggs, aging Lewis and Reed, their defense was pedestrian. There's no way you accept them losing at home to the Ravens.
But the question was about Brady's play against inferior teams in the playoff losses. And the answer there is that it never really happened. The closest to it was the 2010 loss to an 11 win team.
Brady wasn't good against the Broncos. Lost to them 3 straight times in 2005 and 2006.

You may think the 2005 Broncos teams were good, but they were clearly frauds.
 
Lewis and his deer antler spray could barely run at that point. Aside from Ngata, Suggs, aging Lewis and Reed, their defense was pedestrian. There's no way you accept them losing at home to the Ravens.


They were 9-2 with Lewis in the lineup that season, and they won the Super Bowl. Sorry for the purposes of your agument, but that's not a team that was inferior.
 
Brady wasn't good against the Broncos. Lost to them 3 straight times in 2005 and 2006.

You may think the 2005 Broncos teams were good, but they were clearly frauds.


They were a 13-3 team playing against a 10-6 team, and they were at home. Sorry, but it doesn't fit the parameters.
 
They were 9-2 with Lewis in the lineup that season, and they won the Super Bowl. Sorry for the purposes of your agument, but that's not a team that was inferior.
Pats led the NFL with almost 35 points per game vs Baltimore's 24.

Pats defense held teams to 20 point per game vs Baltimore's 24.

I'm only scratching the surface here.

Sorry Deus, but Baltimore was not a better team than the Pats and had no business winning that game. There's no way you went into that game thinking Baltimore was better than NE.
 
Pats led the NFL with almost 35 points per game vs Baltimore's 24.

Pats defense held teams to 20 point per game vs Baltimore's 24.

I'm only scratching the surface here.

Sorry Deus, but Baltimore was not a better team than the Pats and had no business winning that game. There's no way you went into that game thinking Baltimore was better than NE.


You're not scratching the surface. You're looking for needles in haystacks, and you're making really poor arguments in the process.

I mean, just with regards to 2012, you dismiss the record of the Ravens with Lewis, despite it being 9-2, and you also minimize the absence of Gronk in that game. That's just bad arguing debating on your part.


Neither the 2005 Broncos, nor the 2012 Ravens were clearly inferior to the Patriots in those seasons. And, even if we might not have seen that with, particularly, Baltimore at the time, hindsight makes it obvious.
 
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This is the weakest NFL I have ever seen. The Vikes are the best team right now with Darnold at QB ..

Lions just lost Hutchinson for the year too

any teams that would challenge KC are slowly losing all their best players
 
Remember, Rodney freely admitted that on the Helmet Catch play, he saw what the play was and did NOT call an adjustment - he felt it was against the D procedure or something. At his stage in his career he could have done it, stopped the play, and stood up for his decision.
 
Lewis and his deer antler spray could barely run at that point. Aside from Ngata, Suggs, aging Lewis and Reed, their defense was pedestrian. There's no way you accept them losing at home to the Ravens.

Brady wasn't good against the Broncos. Lost to them 3 straight times in 2005 and 2006.

You may think the 2005 Broncos teams were good, but they were clearly frauds.
It’s strange how some great teams just can’t beat some inferior teams for whatever reason. Jake Plummer and that zone rushing scheme by Denver used to always trip us up. Of course the @Miami thing was really bizarre too.

The Chargers had the Colts number too, even when they weren’t very good in the mid-late 2000s.
 
It’s strange how some great teams just can’t beat some inferior teams for whatever reason. Jake Plummer and that zone rushing scheme by Denver used to always trip us up. Of course the @Miami thing was really bizarre too.

The Chargers had the Colts number too, even when they weren’t very good in the mid-late 2000s.
Yeah. Mile High and Miami were always nightmares for us. Yet we always owned Houston, Chargers, Pitt.
 
It’s strange how some great teams just can’t beat some inferior teams for whatever reason. Jake Plummer and that zone rushing scheme by Denver used to always trip us up. Of course the @Miami thing was really bizarre too.

The Chargers had the Colts number too, even when they weren’t very good in the mid-late 2000s.
There were teams that just can't match up with other teams for whatever reason. The Steelers defense beat up on a lot of teams, but they could not match up with the Pats offense for much at all.

Pats/Brady had their kryptonite as well - at Denver, at Miami and Baltimore.
 
I mean, just with regards to 2012, you dismiss the record of the Ravens with Lewis, despite it being 9-2, and you also minimize the absence of Gronk in that game. That's just bad arguing debating on your part.
One of Bill's most underrated blunders was putting Gronk on the field goal unit late in blowout victory against the Colts which broke his arm. That and the Houston playoff game when he reinjured his arm is when I think the relationship between Gronk/his Dad and Bill started to deteriorate.
 
The league fucked up giving MaGOAT a reliable weapon. The real Mahomes is about to show you all why he's the future GOAT.
 
The league fucked up giving MaGOAT a reliable weapon. The real Mahomes is about to show you all why he's the future GOAT.
Declining play of one of the best big receivers of his era in Kelce, injury to an elite WR in Rice, missing a top RB in Pacheco. He’s had to rely on his all-pro studded offensive line and his typical screen passes, shovel passes, misdirection plays, and fake “I’m giving myself up, no I’m not” runs which account for 90% of his success. Still, these results aren’t pretty. 6 TDs, 8 INTs. So I guess it’s good he was able to secure another long-time star WR to compensate since he clearly needs mismatches everywhere to succeed in the passing game. He has no skill on intermediate throws into tight windows. The Chiefs have done a remarkable job of covering up this deficiency.
 
Declining play of one of the best big receivers of his era in Kelce, injury to an elite WR in Rice, missing a top RB in Pacheco. He’s had to rely on his all-pro studded offensive line and his typical screen passes, shovel passes, misdirection plays, and fake “I’m giving myself up, no I’m not” runs which account for 90% of his success. Still, these results aren’t pretty. 6 TDs, 8 INTs. So I guess it’s good he was able to secure another long-time star WR to compensate since he clearly needs mismatches everywhere to succeed in the passing game. He has no skill on intermediate throws into tight windows. The Chiefs have done a remarkable job of covering up this deficiency.
His peak was his first three seasons in the league. Reid has done an unbelievable job covering for how bad he has been.
It is stunning how much better Lamar is right now and most likely on his way to this 3rd MVP
 
His peak was his first three seasons in the league. Reid has done an unbelievable job covering for how bad he has been.
It is stunning how much better Lamar is right now and most likely on his way to this 3rd MVP
i'd take mahomes 120 times out of 100 over overrated lamar.
 
i'd take mahomes 120 times out of 100 over overrated lamar.
Me too. I'm just making the comparison how Lamar has been improving his game year over year while Mahomes has regressed or maybe he was never really that great, just surrounded by great talent and the best offensive mind in football.
 
Me too. I'm just making the comparison how Lamar has been improving his game year over year while Mahomes has regressed or maybe he was never really that great, just surrounded by great talent and the best offensive mind in football.
To me one aspect of greatness is how you adjust to how defenses are playing you. so within the context of mahomes' offense, if he can make enough plays to help his team win that's a big deal to me.
Last year he was still making plays. even though his stats weren't that great and his defense was great he was clutch also. this year he's struggling a bit and they're able to absorb that because their defense is so great. let's see how he adjusts to that.
 
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