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Patty Mahomes GOAT
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Fixed that.
He won 7. He was robbed of 3-4 more by officiating (2006, 2007, 2017 minimum), not to mention a couple of BB coaching decisions. He also dragged that 2011 team to within minutes of another.
And he did that during a time where the league had better opponents for the Patriots, and better QB play. And, again, he took out your boy twice.
Other than beating the corpse of Ben Roethlisberger in 2021 (his corpse's final season in the NFL), your boy's never beaten an all-timer in the playoffs. Brady did it with regularity.
Maybe Allen and Burrow that's about it but they're chokers as of now not all time greats.
Don't get me started on Lamar either
As you say, it's possible that there are QBs in the league today who will develop into "among the best ever". But, as of right now, the only all timer in the NFL for Mahomes to face off against is the shadow of Aaron Rodgers. So when anyone tries pointing to Mahomes winning right now as some kind of definitive proof, it just makes me chuckle.
Kelly, Marino - All timers despite 0 combined SB wins
Plunkett, Ely - Not all timers despite 2 SB wins each
Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
This is the weakest NFL I have ever seen. The Vikes are the best team right now with Darnold at QB ..
TheRainMaker
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They both absolutely should've won more.
Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
Bill cost Brady SB wins ...
TheRainMaker
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He did, but Brady has had his fair share of playoff blunders against inferior teams.
Not really. He was 35-13 overall, including his 2 TB losses. Here are the 11 Losses as a member of the Patriots:
2005 - 13-3 Broncos
2006 - Eventual SB champion 12-4 Colts, with the help of a non-existent (faceguarding) penalty being called
2007 - Injured Brady loses SB (team injuries, officiating screw ups)
2009 - 10-6 Patriots, but without Welker, who'd been lost on the final week of the season, lose to the 9-7 Ravens
2010 - This is the one. They pissed away the game against the Jets, and the Jets were an 11 win team
2011 - SB loss after carrying terrible defense all that way
2012 - Eventual SB champion Ravens
2013 - 13-3 Broncos
2015 - 12-4 Broncos
2017 - SB Loss to Philly (foot out of bounds)
2019 - Loss to a Titans team with 2 fewer regular season wins, but that was the Patriots team that went 4-4 in the second half of the season, as the decline of the OL helped to doom the team after an 8-0 start
Playoff losses to truly inferior teams really wasn't much of a thing in the Brady era.
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Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
LOL No he didn't.
Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
One thing we know for sure after witnessing the last 5 years of Bill without Brady, Bill would have ZERO chips without Brady. Brady would have likely won MORE than 6 SBs without Bill.
Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
The only one on that list that is a stinger is the 2010 Jets loss but if Bill didn't go stupid and suspend Welker the first series of that game because he let Ryan get to him, we probably win that game. I used to think that was Bill most asinine suspension until Butler in 2017 ...
Brady throwing the INT on the screen was a huge mistake there, so I'll give the anti-Brady people that one. But, even there, a big part of the loss was a TD dropped by Crumpler. Realistically, in a 28-21 loss, those two plays were the likely difference between a win and the loss.
Mazz22
Tom Brady GOAT
It was but that was the drive where Welker was benched.
I'm just looking to give the "Brady was bad in that loss against an inferior" a bone. Really, it's just this game, since we can't really call the eventual SB champion 2012 Ravens "inferior", given that they finished the regular season 10-6 having finished on a 1-4 run in large part because of Ray Lewis being injured (he came back in time for the playoff run).
TheRainMaker
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Bill the GM did a poor job. However, the Broncos were trash in 2005 and that loss was very disappointing. The Broncos got their assess kicked by a 2nd year QB the following week at home. The 2005 Steelers were not better than the Pats. For some reason, that "11 up" defense frustrated Brady. That's the most I've ever seen Brady irritated over a defense.
Day dreaming and not seeing Caldwell and the coaching staff trying to get Tom's attention didn't help. But that's not one of the games I was referring to. Defense collapsed. This is on Bill.
I give him a pass on this due to his injury many people didn't take serious and still don't acknowledge it. Bill's defense collapsed again on the final drive when they needed to drive the entire length of the field for a TD.
The Pats were a terrible team that season. Bill the GM did a poor job. Nobody really saw a Ravens ass kicking. Tom didn't play well.
This and 2005 Broncos were the first two blunders. Bill doesn't get a pass either allowing Mark Sanchez to go wild.
Up 17-9, they took their foot off the gas and called it day. Everyone knew the Pats defense sucked, so the offense needed to put up more points to ice it. They didn't. Bill's defense collapsed again.
The Ravens were an inferior team to the Pats. Pats should've ran them out of the stadium even with the loses of Talib and Gronk who didn't play.
Pats were inferior to the 2013 Broncos.
Another Bill blunder for his management late in the season. All they needed was to win one game against either NY or Miami for HFA, but they didn't take either one of them seriously. Both games they refused to pass until it got out of hand. With that said, Broncos were the underdogs in the AFCCG. This isn't one of the game I was referring to.
Another Bill blunder. Horrible game planning.
I don't count this game on my list, but the Titans really had no business winning this game though.
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The Patriots had no interior linebackers and finished 10-6. The Broncos were a 13-3 team, and obviously better than the Patriots. And the Steelers were an 11-5 team that won their final 8 games of the season, including the playoffs.
Brady was not the same player after he got injured, was impacted by several huge drops in big moments, and he still had the team in the lead until there was 1:04 left in the game.
That's just not correct. As I noted, the Ravens were a completely different team with Lewis playing.
TheRainMaker
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Bill Belichick has historically struggled against Mike Shanahan up until that time, but they shut down Mike Anderson that game. But yes, their LB's were trash that season.
However, the secondary was also a major weakness and couldn't hold up.
Pats could barely score 13 on that defense where the scheme was scraped just a few years later after teams caught onto it.
