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mgcolby
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I am too lazy to go figure this out myself. But this whole Ben Johnson hype has me wondering how many first time coaches won a SB. And what other coaches won on their second term.
Off the top of my head last 20 years
Winners
Sean McVay
John Harbaugh
Mike Tomlin
Doug Pederson
Mike McCarthey
Sean Payton
Assuming I didn't miss anyone that is 6 out of 20. 14 of the last 20 were on their second gig.
Edit I missed Cowher so 7 out of 20.
Off the top of my head last 20 years
Winners
Sean McVay
John Harbaugh
Mike Tomlin
Doug Pederson
Mike McCarthey
Sean Payton
Assuming I didn't miss anyone that is 6 out of 20. 14 of the last 20 were on their second gig.
Edit I missed Cowher so 7 out of 20.
Lord Chevy
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And how many of those won early? Or won because the previous regime left them in a great position?
mgcolby
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Tomlin is the only one I can think of early. Cowher was what 12 years or so. But I honestly don't remember every situation.
However if you go back to 2000 it's 8 out of 25. I think I would be hopeful with Johnson, but more comfortable with Vrabel.
That’s one of the things that’s underrated about the start of the BB era. He had some pieces left over from Tuna that he could build around on both sides of the ball and maybe the most clutch kicker in the history of the game. He still needed Brady, Light, and other pieces, but the cupboard wasn’t left bare. He left the cupboard pretty fucking bare here.
Tomlin is another guy who won with someone else’s team.
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In the wake of Jerod Mayo being relieved of his duties as New England Patriots head coach, Mike Vrabel stands out as the most obvious candidate to replace him.
Vrabel served as head coach of the Tennessee Titans for six years (2018-23). Prior to his coaching career, he played 14 NFL seasons including eight with the Patriots (2001-08). The former linebacker helped New England to three Super Bowl titles and was inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame in 2023.
Fellow ex-Pats linebacker Ted Johnson played alongside Vrabel from 2001 to 2004. On Monday's The Breakdown, Johnson shared what he would tell Patriots ownership about his former teammate as they evaluate him for the team's head-coaching vacancy.
"If they were to ask me, 'Who's the smartest player you ever played with?' I'd say it was Mike Vrabel and it wasn't even close," Johnson said. "Who had the most energy and came to work every single day with incredible focus and energy, and that would be Mike Vrabel."
Vrabel's football IQ translated to the sideline, as he earned NFL Coach of the Year honors in 2021. His Titans tenure came to an unceremonious end after the 2023 season, but he did enough during his six seasons in Tennessee to show he deserves another shot at a head coaching gig.Should that opportunity come in Foxboro? After heaping praise on Vrabel, Johnson shared one concern he has with his former teammate taking over for Mayo.
"The one thing that gives me a little bit of pause with Mike, I'd like to know what his offensive philosophy is," Johnson said. "Because if you look at his time there in Tennessee, it really was kind of a more conservative offense, really highlighting the run game versus the passing game, and I don't know if that was because of the limitations of the quarterback, but that's how he ran his offense.
"So I just wonder, does he have the offensive mind to bring the Patriots in for the next 10 years, considering where the offenses are going? It's important for me to want to know from Mike who his offensive coordinator is going to be and what his offensive philosophy is.
"I would love Mike to be the head coach here. I think he'd be a great culture setter. I just worry about what he's thinking on offense and how he sees the modern-day offense looking."
As Johnson alludes to, whoever the Patriots hire as head coach will be tasked with furthering the development of their prized young quarterback Drake Maye. The offense as a whole will be expected to take a significant lead forward in 2025.
Given how Vrabel ran his offense at Tennessee, it would behoove Patriots owner Robert Kraft to at least consider an offensive-minded coach. New England reportedly requested to interview Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson for the role.
As for the front office, Eliot Wolf's job appears safe for now. Kraft stated Wolf will remain in the mix, though according to our Phil Perry, there is no guarantee he will be leading the personnel department in 2025.
captain stone
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Dee Notso Wise can Get The Fuck Out and Stay The Fuck Out.
Eukalele's a 'Roid cheat who can hit the road too.
doGchow's signed through next season but I want him fucking Gone, same as Jalopy Tavai... In fact ALL of our fucking Mild Samoans can ALL Get The Fuck Out too.
Jaylinn Hawkins: Need someone better, even as a backup.
Onemenu & Uncle Dugg aren't worth FUCKING HALF of their salary cap hits. If they don't restructure IMMEDIATELY then they can - guess what - Get The Fuck Out too.
David Andrews deserves to be able to play his way on or off the team next season.
And Doghouse Bourne was a ridiculous signing at that price while he was still recovering from surgery. Future June 1st cap casualty.
Hyped
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You think Dave Andrews hangs em’ up or comes back to play guard? Or will the new coach dump Strange?
mgcolby
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To sum up CPT's post
ItsGonnaBeMaye
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Wrong.
ItsGonnaBeMaye
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Vrabel is so overrated. As a defensive head coach, his defenses were never elite. He had some solid defenses in some years, and some downright awful defenses in others. Any success he attained was due to the offensive side of the ball, and more specifically, it was tied to the quality of the OC. If you bring him to NE, you will be in the wildcard round/divisional round most years, with the occasional AFCCG appearance, but you will have a low ceiling. Extremely unlikely you ever win a Super Bowl with him. He may hit on an OC one year, but when that OC puts up big numbers with Maye, he will leave for a head coaching job. Maye won't get any stability, and it's unlikely that you will hit on every OC you hire.
With Ben Johnson, you will get arguably the best offensive mind in the sport for the next couple of decades, in a sport that is leaning heavily towards offense.
There is zero chance that Kraft moved so fast for Vrabel, who will be just more of the same. You only do that for the guy who has been the hottest head coaching candidate over the last couple of years.
HSanders
Cracker bitch
Some very good points here .you must be an english major.only we know how to argue like this that's why a lot of us become lawyers.
I absolutely love vrabel, but I hope he goes to Ohio State and becomes their head coach.
I would prefer to have somebody with a little more coaching experience and management of an entire team or more experience going through the ranks before they became a head coach, but that said I would not necessarily be opposed to Ben Johnson if he would have a very experienced playcaller on defense who was proven to be great.
It's kind of the same things that I thought about when the Saints hired Sean Payton. I knew he was absolutely fantastic offensive mind but he never really was that great at hiring a defensive play caller and I thought that was their weakness the whole time he was the coach. if they had hired a better defensive coordinator ,I think they would have had multiple super bowls.
ItsGonnaBeMaye
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No, I majored in a subject that actually required a brain.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFPRJTvcx_c
They've already got their two mandatory minority interviews
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captain stone
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He doesn't sound like a man ready to hang 'em up yet, so I think/hope he's here to compete for a C/G roster spot, same as Strange69.
mgcolby
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